Digital BW, The Print

Sorry to interrupt all those fond memories about the good old days when 
serious inkjet printing just about started (2002)...  :-)

May I reformulate my question:
What does one do with a perfectly good 2100-2200 in the year 2011?
- dump it? (was kind of too expensive for that)
- run it with OEM UltraChrome inks
   (how long will Epson produce them? Cost!)
- use some 3rd party inks >> Which ones?
- buy refillable carts to be ready one day to put in whatever?
- ...

Thanks.
(I promise it's the last time I ask that question)

Louis

Oh, or maybe this:

- use it for coating prints made with another printer
   (that way you don't have to mess up your production printer
    and lose a cartridge position)
   >> which coating?

Louis

Op 18-1-2011 9:53, Louis de Stoutz schreef:
> Oh, or maybe this:
>
> - use it for coating prints made with another printer
>     (that way you don't have to mess up your production printer
>      and lose a cartridge position)
>     >>  which coating?
>
> Louis
>


Sorry about my mistake and the detour after that.

MIS 7600 pigment inks or an OCP equivalent in Germany.

Aardenburg tested the MIS inks I think, the ink base source is Image 
Specialists and their EU distributor is Gemini Colours in The 
Netherlands, RefillInk.nl has the same Dutch address for its HQ so I 
guess that could be the right address here. Check though as it may be a 
dye ink they propose for filling your 2200 instead of the MIS7600. 
Robert Grafton is the man in command there.

A gloss enhancer, called glop in this list. Ink medium from MIS, the 
alternatives available to refill Epson R800 to R1900 Gloss Enhancer 
carts or one of Paul's mixes. Or 130 ml twin packs of HP's Z3100/Z3200 
gloss enhancer. I wouldn't trust anything else like varnishes in a 
desktop inkjet printer.

Though it would be interesting to see what Sodium Silicate (Waterglass) 
does when printed as an overcoat on dye and pigment inks, it's used in 
Epson 4xxx models as an ink base for printing on a variety of media. 
Sepiax process it is called today I believe. I recall a sign printer who 
sprayed waterglass on Encad inkjet printed vinyl for outdoor use way 
back. Before 2002 :-)

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Ernst, thank you for your much appreciated help!

------
PS: I took a little tour on your site out of curiosity and saw that we 
share more common interests than just DBW. An Ermanox! Wow! This is 
something I have been dreaming adding to my collection for the past 40 
years...
I also like the idea of using LEGO parts to build panoramic cameras!

Louis (from not too far away Zurich)

I'd use it with either one of Paul Roark's inksets (as sold by MIS) or one
of the Cone Piezography ones.  It is capable of great prints with either.
Your decision is really whether you want to print on matte or gloss (or both
- slightly harder) and whether you are happy with a fixed tone (best
quality) or need variable tone (slightly lesser quality).  Once you have
answered those questions the inkset will more or less choose itself.

 

To start with it might be best to go with one of the MIS variable tone
inksets as they will print from warm to slightly cold as well as doing split
tone with QTR) and do both matte and gloss.  Once you have a preferred
tone/finish you can then install an inkset that suits your vision better.

 

I still have and use my 2100 for B&W and find it preferable to some of the
newer desktop printers, the paper feed is definitely more robust when using
matte fine art papers as I do almost exclusively.

 

David Whistance



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Op 18-1-2011 12:14, Louis de Stoutz schreef:
> Ernst, thank you for your much appreciated help!
>
> ------
> PS: I took a little tour on your site out of curiosity and saw that we
> share more common interests than just DBW. An Ermanox! Wow! This is
> something I have been dreaming adding to my collection for the past 40
> years...


I am not the owner either.  An artist friend inherited it from a Dutch 
army photographer. The idea was to describe all items (his and mine) 
before they went to sale but we never get to that final stage of selling.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst

Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/

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Thanks David

I too feel that the 1400 is at the limit with some heavier Papers.
So, maybe I should switch around an do B&W matte on the 2100 (the 
rougher texture of art papers possibly helping conceal the disadvantage 
of bigger droplets), and use the 1400 for color and glossy?

Louis

On 18.01.2011 12:57, David Whistance wrote:
 > ...
> I still have and use my 2100 for B&W and find it preferable to some of the
> newer desktop printers, the paper feed is definitely more robust when using
> matte fine art papers as I do almost exclusively.
 > ...