Digital BW, The Print

Hello,

I have a photo friend who's been admiring my b/w prints... he's had a lot of experience in large format film photography and knows a good print when he sees one. I don't take credit for my prints, by the way, I give credit to the people in this forum!

But he'd like to come over here to the "dark side" :) and begin b/w digital printing. When I got started it was pure simplicity. a 220 with one Eboni cartridge. But that printer, and its Epson driver with a BO option, are no longer made. I moved next to an R1800 so I could do larger prints. Again, not too complicated... just 3 Eboni carts and QTR. I still haven't moved beyond that and it's working well for me. Some day I may go for a 1400 and the Eboni 6 route. 

What shall I recommend to my friend? The 1400 seems like the best choice now... but he'd still like to do color, so that rules out the Eboni 6 route. Can he fill the MK position with Eboni ink and leave the color carts in place for doing color prints - but limited to matt paper, right, as in the 1800? And what kind of color ink does that printer use? He doesn't want dye, wants pigment. Does the 1400 use "Claria" color? Is that a pigment or a dye, or something else?

Just checked the Epson site... refurbed 1400s are $179, with free shipping. Sounds like a good deal. May have to pick one up myself.

TIA,

Paul

FYI, You can usually find a NEW 1400 on sale somewhere or with a rebate..Why buy refurbished, if you can buy "NEW"??..
I have 2 of them..One with dye based Lyson Claria clones, and the other with MIS UT-14 B&W Inks ala Paul Roark' workflow..the most I paid was $160 for one..the other came out to about $150..BOTH NEW!  Of course the inksets were "extra", but I've saved alot of $$$'s over time..

Eddie

 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:41 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] getting a friend started in b/w printing


    
  Hello,

  I have a photo friend who's been admiring my b/w prints... he's had a lot of experience in large format film photography and knows a good print when he sees one. I don't take credit for my prints, by the way, I give credit to the people in this forum!

  But he'd like to come over here to the "dark side" :) and begin b/w digital printing. When I got started it was pure simplicity. a 220 with one Eboni cartridge. But that printer, and its Epson driver with a BO option, are no longer made. I moved next to an R1800 so I could do larger prints. Again, not too complicated... just 3 Eboni carts and QTR. I still haven't moved beyond that and it's working well for me. Some day I may go for a 1400 and the Eboni 6 route. 

  What shall I recommend to my friend? The 1400 seems like the best choice now... but he'd still like to do color, so that rules out the Eboni 6 route. Can he fill the MK position with Eboni ink and leave the color carts in place for doing color prints - but limited to matt paper, right, as in the 1800? And what kind of color ink does that printer use? He doesn't want dye, wants pigment. Does the 1400 use "Claria" color? Is that a pigment or a dye, or something else?

  Just checked the Epson site... refurbed 1400s are $179, with free shipping. Sounds like a good deal. May have to pick one up myself.

  TIA,

  Paul



  

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I've been using a 1400 with Paul's Eb1400 inkset (5 Eboni + UT14-C for cool tones) for one year now, and I'm really happy.
All the people who have seen my prints hardly believed that it was printed...

 Le ven 18/02/11 01:50, "edward wiseman" pahts@... a écrit:
> FYI, You can usually find a NEW 1400 on sale somewhere or with a
> rebate..Why buy refurbished, if you can buy "NEW"??..
I have 2 of them..One with dye based Lyson Claria clones, and the other

> with MIS UT-14 B&W Inks ala Paul Roark' workflow..the most I paid was $160
> for one..the other came out to about $150..BOTH NEW!  Of course the inksets
> were "extra", but I've saved alot of $$$'s over time..
> Eddie

Sylvain <sylvain@...> wrote:
>
> I've been using a 1400 with Paul's Eb1400 inkset (5 Eboni + UT14-C for cool tones) for one year now, and I'm really happy.


The "Eboni-4 Plus" takes the same approach but also puts a cool ink in the LC spot so the Epson driver gives an even tone across the board.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf  So, it's an easier, smoother way to get to about the same place.

(I stuff in Noritsu [claria] dyes and use them for glossy, using the Eb4 100% for matte fine art, but the UT14 C and LC are the simple, off the shelf solution people ought to start with if they want to go this route.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com