Digital BW, The Print

Hey gang -
I had this problem in the past but must have resolved it somehow but
can't remember how. I use the Epson 4990 flatbed scanner to scan all of
my negatives. I am trying to scan in frames including the edges of the
film (so the numbers will show, etc) but when I select the area, the
image is pure white. When I select ONLY the image area, the image is
there. I tried deselecting the backlight compensation option in the
Epson software but it doesn't seem to do anything. Any advice would be
greatly appreciated :)
-AnnMariewww.annmarietornabene.net <www.annmarietornabene.net>



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On 03/21/2012 03:07 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> Hey gang -
> I had this problem in the past but must have resolved it somehow but
> can't remember how. I use the Epson 4990 flatbed scanner to scan all of
> my negatives. I am trying to scan in frames including the edges of the
> film (so the numbers will show, etc) but when I select the area, the
> image is pure white. When I select ONLY the image area, the image is
> there. I tried deselecting the backlight compensation option in the
> Epson software but it doesn't seem to do anything. Any advice would be
> greatly appreciated :)
> -AnnMariewww.annmarietornabene.net <www.annmarietornabene.net>


Vuescan + border buffer at say 15% so it does not count the edges for 
exposure.

Flare however will be increased if in scanning no mask is used.


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Ernst -

I use EpsonScan not Vue Scan so there isn't a buffer option. Is VueScan separate software I would need to purchase?

AnnMarie

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <e.dinkla@...> wrote:

>
> On 03/21/2012 03:07 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> > Hey gang -
> > I had this problem in the past but must have resolved it somehow but
> > can't remember how. I use the Epson 4990 flatbed scanner to scan all of
> > my negatives. I am trying to scan in frames including the edges of the
> > film (so the numbers will show, etc) but when I select the area, the
> > image is pure white. When I select ONLY the image area, the image is
> > there. I tried deselecting the backlight compensation option in the
> > Epson software but it doesn't seem to do anything. Any advice would be
> > greatly appreciated :)
> > -AnnMariewww.annmarietornabene.net <www.annmarietornabene.net>
> 
> 
> Vuescan + border buffer at say 15% so it does not count the edges for 
> exposure.
> 
> Flare however will be increased if in scanning no mask is used.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
> 
> Shareware now:
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> 
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Best scanner software on the planet.

Seth

On 03/22/2012 11:53 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> Ernst -
>
> I use EpsonScan not Vue Scan so there isn't a buffer option. Is VueScan
> separate software I would need to purchase?
>
> AnnMarie

Yes, but it is cheap for what it does. www.hamrick.com

However, there is another route. If you make a mask that covers the 
edges of the film frame and do the preview + fix the exposure setting on 
the measurement and then scan with the mask off. Would be possible with 
Vuescan but I guess with Epsonscan too.

Another question; do you scan on the glass bed of the scanner and is 
that in best focus on your 4990? Usually that is not the case.


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Ernst, 
I will try what you said about masking it first. I neglected to mention the most important thing - the negatives are overexposed (simply because my Holga was set to "Bulb" without my knowledge!) so they are dense. HOWEVER, I can see through them when held up to light so the information is there. 

On another subject, yes I do scan directly onto the glass but I never seemed to have a focus problem. Is using the mediocre film holders that Epson gives me, advantageous to focus?

AnnMarie

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <e.dinkla@...> wrote:

>
> On 03/22/2012 11:53 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> > Ernst -
> >
> > I use EpsonScan not Vue Scan so there isn't a buffer option. Is VueScan
> > separate software I would need to purchase?
> >
> > AnnMarie
> 
> Yes, but it is cheap for what it does. www.hamrick.com
> 
> However, there is another route. If you make a mask that covers the 
> edges of the film frame and do the preview + fix the exposure setting on 
> the measurement and then scan with the mask off. Would be possible with 
> Vuescan but I guess with Epsonscan too.
> 
> Another question; do you scan on the glass bed of the scanner and is 
> that in best focus on your 4990? Usually that is not the case.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
> 
> Shareware now:
> Dinkla Gallery Canvas Wrap Actions for Photoshop
> 
> http://www.pigment-print.com/dinklacanvaswraps/index.htm
> 
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>

On 03/23/2012 03:10 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> Ernst,
> I will try what you said about masking it first. I neglected to mention
> the most important thing - the negatives are overexposed (simply because
> my Holga was set to "Bulb" without my knowledge!) so they are dense.
> HOWEVER, I can see through them when held up to light so the information
> is there.
>
> On another subject, yes I do scan directly onto the glass but I never
> seemed to have a focus problem. Is using the mediocre film holders that
> Epson gives me, advantageous to focus?
>
> AnnMarie

Depends, the Epson Perfection scanner models have no active focusing in 
the scanner, it is a fixed focus design and not perfect. One 4990 may 
have the focus on the glass bed, the other one 3 mm above the bed. In 
theory the best focus should be halfway the height between the film 
plane in the holders and the glass bed but the deviations are way beyond 
that. Much is compensated by the wide DOF of the lens system but there 
is something to gain there by adjusting the film holders. See this 
article written 8 years ago on the 2450 model:
http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/Epson_flatbeds.html

If you want to include the frame edges there is the problem that little 
film surface is left for keeping the film flat in any holder. If you 
also want to reduce Newton rings etc that would occur in using glass in 
contact with the film then there is only one solution that really keeps 
the film plane and avoids Newton rings without loss of detail etc: wet 
mounting. Doug Fisher makes custom wet mount holders and has some docs 
on how to use them, There must be something I wrote among them. Doug's 
holder has also adjustable nylon screws to get best focus. He has more 
holder types too including anti-newton glass inserts.
http://www.betterscanning.com/


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I can vouch for Doug's film holders. I use the glass carrier for most scans
and have made masks for the unusual sizes of negatives I have scanned (like
616). I have found on my V750 the optimum negative height (emulsion side) is
3.5 to 3.6mm.

 

I have the luxury of using Silverfast with the scanner and have used the
product on my other scanners since 2004 and love (have adapted) the
software. I did try VueScan but found Silverfast much more competent and
easier to use. The only issue with Silverfast is their new version 8 which I
feel is a "work in progress" and should not be considered until it can match
the flexibility of the older software.

 

Speaking of scanning with the Epson flatbed scanners, the resolution from
the scanner leaves a lot to be desired. You will find that the registration
of the color channels will be skewed vertically as the scanner makes its
pass. Resolution above 2000 dpi is very limited. I you are scanning BW and
the scanner uses only one color channel to make the scan, then the
resolution can be 3000 dpi and above. I have measured my scanner and can
achieve about 3300 dpi - which is quite satisfactory for a flat bed scanner.
Resolution was determined with a USAF target I obtained for Lasersoft.

 

Bob Rapp

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ernst
Dinkla
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:31 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 4990 Scanner Question

 

  

On 03/23/2012 03:10 PM, faeofavalon wrote:
> Ernst,
> I will try what you said about masking it first. I neglected to mention
> the most important thing - the negatives are overexposed (simply because
> my Holga was set to "Bulb" without my knowledge!) so they are dense.
> HOWEVER, I can see through them when held up to light so the information
> is there.
>
> On another subject, yes I do scan directly onto the glass but I never
> seemed to have a focus problem. Is using the mediocre film holders that
> Epson gives me, advantageous to focus?
>
> AnnMarie

Depends, the Epson Perfection scanner models have no active focusing in 
the scanner, it is a fixed focus design and not perfect. One 4990 may 
have the focus on the glass bed, the other one 3 mm above the bed. In 
theory the best focus should be halfway the height between the film 
plane in the holders and the glass bed but the deviations are way beyond 
that. Much is compensated by the wide DOF of the lens system but there 
is something to gain there by adjusting the film holders. See this 
article written 8 years ago on the 2450 model:
http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/Epson_flatbeds.html

If you want to include the frame edges there is the problem that little 
film surface is left for keeping the film flat in any holder. If you 
also want to reduce Newton rings etc that would occur in using glass in 
contact with the film then there is only one solution that really keeps 
the film plane and avoids Newton rings without loss of detail etc: wet 
mounting. Doug Fisher makes custom wet mount holders and has some docs 
on how to use them, There must be something I wrote among them. Doug's 
holder has also adjustable nylon screws to get best focus. He has more 
holder types too including anti-newton glass inserts.
http://www.betterscanning.com/

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Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst

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