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Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-24 by rfsteckmeyer

I am running an Epson 1430 with new MIS cartridges, MIS ink configured as Eboni 4 + as per Paul Rorak.  I am making progress but find cartridge maintenance cumbersome.  I think I read recently that Paul tops off all of his cartridges once one is designated needing refilling. Am I imagining this?  If not will the chips reset for the partially full cartridges if I just top them off?  Will the ink levels work as if they were all new full cartridges.  Thanks

Re: [Digital BW] Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-24 by Paul Roark

I do top off 1400 (and 1100) auto-reset carts.  I mostly ignore the ink
monitor readings.  However, when one is very low that I know has not
recently been topped off, I take that as a time to check all.  The chips
and ink levels do get out of sync.  This is not an optimal solution, but
pulling the carts to check them when there is any suggestion that one is
low or I have a printing project I'm going to start seems to avoid running
out of ink at an inopportune moment.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM, rfsteckmeyer <steckmeyer@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> I am running an Epson 1430 with new MIS cartridges, MIS ink configured as
> Eboni 4 + as per Paul Rorak. I am making progress but find cartridge
> maintenance cumbersome. I think I read recently that Paul tops off all of
> his cartridges once one is designated needing refilling. Am I imagining
> this? If not will the chips reset for the partially full cartridges if I
> just top them off? Will the ink levels work as if they were all new full
> cartridges. Thanks
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-26 by jcphoto52

Hi Mr.Roark
As my first experience at refilling, I did exactly that on my 1430. The "yellow" cartridge showing a low level (flashing light on), I decided to top all the cartridges.

After that, I've found that the printer was doing it's normal cycle, only to see another flashing light on another (or two) cartridges. I had to remove and replace these cartridges, let the printer do is priming cycle only to find another flashing cartridge. I did a round-robin of removing cartridges until everything went to normal.
Since the priming cycle uses ink (I think) I can see that my "full cartridges" are already emptier.

This is a costly experience! Maybe the "have a second set of cartridges ready" will cure this?

I'm still printing...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> I do top off 1400 (and 1100) auto-reset carts.  I mostly ignore the ink
> monitor readings.  However, when one is very low that I know has not
> recently been topped off, I take that as a time to check all.  The chips
> and ink levels do get out of sync.  This is not an optimal solution, but
> pulling the carts to check them when there is any suggestion that one is
> low or I have a printing project I'm going to start seems to avoid running
> out of ink at an inopportune moment.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM, rfsteckmeyer <steckmeyer@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > I am running an Epson 1430 with new MIS cartridges, MIS ink configured as
> > Eboni 4 + as per Paul Rorak. I am making progress but find cartridge
> > maintenance cumbersome. I think I read recently that Paul tops off all of
> > his cartridges once one is designated needing refilling. Am I imagining
> > this? If not will the chips reset for the partially full cartridges if I
> > just top them off? Will the ink levels work as if they were all new full
> > cartridges. Thanks
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-26 by William Harvey

Dear all on this thread,

I have a 2880 with refillable carts and auto-reset chips. These chips 
stop the printer, sometimes in mid print, when one cart needs to be 
refilled. The "empty" cart must be removed from the printer and refilled 
and then re-inserted in the printer at which time it resets and the 
printer goes through a cleaning cycle as if an OEM cart were replaced. 
Then the printer finishes printing any print that was interrupted on a 
_separate_ piece of paper, argh!!

If another cart is, say, 5 prints from its re-set then the whole process 
is repeated for that cart, including another cleaning cycle and a 
posssible spoiled print.

This process was annoying and wasted lots of ink and sometimes paper as 
well. I noticed that Inkjetmall (Jon Cone) was offering a chip resetter 
for these types of carts and I bought one.

What I do now is keep track of ink levels by looking at the ink levels 
in the Epson driver. When one cart is near "empty" I remove, refill and 
reset _all_ the carts. Then there is just one cleaning routine and I am 
good to go until one of the carts shows near  "empty" again, I can print 
a lot longer because the cart set starts with all carts _full_. This 
cuts down on the cleaning cycles and there is no waste of paper.

Hope this helps,

Cheers

P.S. I sent this post at the beginning of this or a very similar thread. 
The same exact behavior is exhibited by both my 1400 and 1430.

*****************************************************

On 2/26/2013 5:47 AM, jcphoto52 wrote:
>
> Hi Mr.Roark
> As my first experience at refilling, I did exactly that on my 1430. 
> The "yellow" cartridge showing a low level (flashing light on), I 
> decided to top all the cartridges.
>
> After that, I've found that the printer was doing it's normal cycle, 
> only to see another flashing light on another (or two) cartridges. I 
> had to remove and replace these cartridges, let the printer do is 
> priming cycle only to find another flashing cartridge. I did a 
> round-robin of removing cartridges until everything went to normal.
> Since the priming cycle uses ink (I think) I can see that my "full 
> cartridges" are already emptier.
>
> This is a costly experience! Maybe the "have a second set of 
> cartridges ready" will cure this?
>
> I'm still printing...
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > I do top off 1400 (and 1100) auto-reset carts. I mostly ignore the ink
> > monitor readings. However, when one is very low that I know has not
> > recently been topped off, I take that as a time to check all. The chips
> > and ink levels do get out of sync. This is not an optimal solution, but
> > pulling the carts to check them when there is any suggestion that one is
> > low or I have a printing project I'm going to start seems to avoid 
> running
> > out of ink at an inopportune moment.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM, rfsteckmeyer wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I am running an Epson 1430 with new MIS cartridges, MIS ink 
> configured as
> > > Eboni 4 + as per Paul Rorak. I am making progress but find cartridge
> > > maintenance cumbersome. I think I read recently that Paul tops off 
> all of
> > > his cartridges once one is designated needing refilling. Am I 
> imagining
> > > this? If not will the chips reset for the partially full 
> cartridges if I
> > > just top them off? Will the ink levels work as if they were all 
> new full
> > > cartridges. Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 

-- 
Default-WH

William Harvey

From the Beautiful Napa Valley, U.S.A

And

Mas de Cazes

Parisot 82160

France

Lat. = 44 degrees, 15.1 minutes North

Long. = 1 degrees, 50.6 minutes East



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RE: [Digital BW] Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-26 by Tom Maugham

My 1430 also stops in the middle of the print to request a new cart. I
remove the "empty" cart, fill it up with my trusty syringe and replace it.
The printer goes through a cleaning cycle and then resumes printing from
where it left off. No wasted paper and the only lost time is the minute or
so it took to refill the cart. The ARC chip indicates full once again.

 

Tom 
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

 

  

Dear all on this thread,

I have a 2880 with refillable carts and auto-reset chips. These chips 
stop the printer, sometimes in mid print, when one cart needs to be 
refilled. The "empty" cart must be removed from the printer and refilled 
and then re-inserted in the printer at which time it resets and the 
printer goes through a cleaning cycle as if an OEM cart were replaced. 
Then the printer finishes printing any print that was interrupted on a 
_separate_ piece of paper, argh!!

If another cart is, say, 5 prints from its re-set then the whole process 
is repeated for that cart, including another cleaning cycle and a 
posssible spoiled print.

This process was annoying and wasted lots of ink and sometimes paper as 
well. I noticed that Inkjetmall (Jon Cone) was offering a chip resetter 
for these types of carts and I bought one.

What I do now is keep track of ink levels by looking at the ink levels 
in the Epson driver. When one cart is near "empty" I remove, refill and 
reset _all_ the carts. Then there is just one cleaning routine and I am 
good to go until one of the carts shows near "empty" again, I can print 
a lot longer because the cart set starts with all carts _full_. This 
cuts down on the cleaning cycles and there is no waste of paper.

Hope this helps,

Cheers

P.S. I sent this post at the beginning of this or a very similar thread. 
The same exact behavior is exhibited by both my 1400 and 1430.

*****************************************************

On 2/26/2013 5:47 AM, jcphoto52 wrote:
>
> Hi Mr.Roark
> As my first experience at refilling, I did exactly that on my 1430. 
> The "yellow" cartridge showing a low level (flashing light on), I 
> decided to top all the cartridges.
>
> After that, I've found that the printer was doing it's normal cycle, 
> only to see another flashing light on another (or two) cartridges. I 
> had to remove and replace these cartridges, let the printer do is 
> priming cycle only to find another flashing cartridge. I did a 
> round-robin of removing cartridges until everything went to normal.
> Since the priming cycle uses ink (I think) I can see that my "full 
> cartridges" are already emptier.
>
> This is a costly experience! Maybe the "have a second set of 
> cartridges ready" will cure this?
>
> I'm still printing...
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  
> , Paul Roark wrote:
> >
> > I do top off 1400 (and 1100) auto-reset carts. I mostly ignore the ink
> > monitor readings. However, when one is very low that I know has not
> > recently been topped off, I take that as a time to check all. The chips
> > and ink levels do get out of sync. This is not an optimal solution, but
> > pulling the carts to check them when there is any suggestion that one is
> > low or I have a printing project I'm going to start seems to avoid 
> running
> > out of ink at an inopportune moment.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:57 AM, rfsteckmeyer wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I am running an Epson 1430 with new MIS cartridges, MIS ink 
> configured as
> > > Eboni 4 + as per Paul Rorak. I am making progress but find cartridge
> > > maintenance cumbersome. I think I read recently that Paul tops off 
> all of
> > > his cartridges once one is designated needing refilling. Am I 
> imagining
> > > this? If not will the chips reset for the partially full 
> cartridges if I
> > > just top them off? Will the ink levels work as if they were all 
> new full
> > > cartridges. Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 

-- 
Default-WH

William Harvey

From the Beautiful Napa Valley, U.S.A

And

Mas de Cazes

Parisot 82160

France

Lat. = 44 degrees, 15.1 minutes North

Long. = 1 degrees, 50.6 minutes East

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-26 by jcphoto52

Thanks all

I"ll refill all my cartridges, buy a new set of cartridges plus the resetter; in the meantime, is there a difference refilling the carts with the printer off, or power the printer, remove the cartridges, fill and replace?

Thanks

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Maugham" <Thomas@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> My 1430 also stops in the middle of the print to request a new cart. I
> remove the "empty" cart, fill it up with my trusty syringe and replace it.
> The printer goes through a cleaning cycle and then resumes printing from
> where it left off. No wasted paper and the only lost time is the minute or
> so it took to refill the cart. The ARC chip indicates full once again.
> 

> From:[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William
> Harvey

> Dear all on this thread,
> 
> I have a 2880 with refillable carts and auto-reset chips. These chips 
> stop the printer, sometimes in mid print, when one cart needs to be 
> refilled. The "empty" cart must be removed from the printer and refilled 
> and then re-inserted in the printer at which time it resets and the 
> printer goes through a cleaning cycle as if an OEM cart were replaced. 
> Then the printer finishes printing any print that was interrupted on a 
> _separate_ piece of paper, argh!!
> 
> If another cart is, say, 5 prints from its re-set then the whole process 
> is repeated for that cart, including another cleaning cycle and a 
> posssible spoiled print.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-26 by Tom Maugham

I don't think that you can refill with the power off as the print head has
to be under the area where the carts can be accessed which is not where the
head is in the power off position. I don't use a resetter as the ARC chips
on my carts reset automatically when the cart is replaced after notifying me
that the ink is low. I prefer that way as this process ensures that the cart
will never actually run dry, there is always about 1-2 ccs of ink remaining
when the printer says that it's empty.

 

Tom 
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jcphoto52
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:41 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

 

  

Thanks all

I"ll refill all my cartridges, buy a new set of cartridges plus the
resetter; in the meantime, is there a difference refilling the carts with
the printer off, or power the printer, remove the cartridges, fill and
replace?

Thanks

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Tom Maugham"
wrote:
>
> My 1430 also stops in the middle of the print to request a new cart. I
> remove the "empty" cart, fill it up with my trusty syringe and replace it.
> The printer goes through a cleaning cycle and then resumes printing from
> where it left off. No wasted paper and the only lost time is the minute or
> so it took to refill the cart. The ARC chip indicates full once again.
> 

> From:[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
William
> Harvey

> Dear all on this thread,
> 
> I have a 2880 with refillable carts and auto-reset chips. These chips 
> stop the printer, sometimes in mid print, when one cart needs to be 
> refilled. The "empty" cart must be removed from the printer and refilled 
> and then re-inserted in the printer at which time it resets and the 
> printer goes through a cleaning cycle as if an OEM cart were replaced. 
> Then the printer finishes printing any print that was interrupted on a 
> _separate_ piece of paper, argh!!
> 
> If another cart is, say, 5 prints from its re-set then the whole process 
> is repeated for that cart, including another cleaning cycle and a 
> posssible spoiled print.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-27 by Michael

Has anyone determined whether a cleaning cycle triggered by one cart being replaced actually cleans all carts - or just the one cart? Having a conclusive answer to this would be very useful.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-27 by Tom Maugham

All carts.
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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:32 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

 

  


Has anyone determined whether a cleaning cycle triggered by one cart being
replaced actually cleans all carts - or just the one cart? Having a
conclusive answer to this would be very useful.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-27 by Paul Roark

It pulls ink from all of them, as far as I can tell.  It's the pump under
the ink pad that pulls the inks through the head.  It cannot pull from just
one set of nozzles.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Michael <michael3442@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> Has anyone determined whether a cleaning cycle triggered by one cart being
> replaced actually cleans all carts - or just the one cart? Having a
> conclusive answer to this would be very useful.
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-02-28 by Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
> It pulls ink from all of them, as far as I can tell.  It's the pump under
> the ink pad that pulls the inks through the head.  It cannot pull from just
> one set of nozzles.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

I see. I had never heard that, before. I never realized ink could be pulled through in that manner; I assumed a cleaning was just an enhanced version of the normal ink spraying technology, albeit over the ink pad. I gotta say that sometimes I lean back in my chair and sort of marvel over how these things work.

[Digital BW] Re: Can I Top off Ink Cartridges

2013-03-11 by John

Paul -

I have to thank you for your contributions to this group.  Sometimes
my jaw drops when I learn some tidbit about how these printers work.

John P


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> It pulls ink from all of them, as far as I can tell.  It's the pump under
> the ink pad that pulls the inks through the head.  It cannot pull from just
> one set of nozzles.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Michael <michael3442@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone determined whether a cleaning cycle triggered by one cart being
> > replaced actually cleans all carts - or just the one cart? Having a
> > conclusive answer to this would be very useful.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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