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glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-22 by Paul

Elementary question: I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?

Thnx!

Paul
(physics major, not chem!)

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-22 by Paul Roark

<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My
> pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
>
Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol

Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf .
 I use 99.7% pure.  I'm not sure what purity is needed.  Someone once
commented that Walmart had glycerin.  I went into one and looked at what
they had.  It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc.  I
suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
chemicals might have.  So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is practically
available.  Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much of
a factor in printing.

Also,  unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.

Good luck with the mixing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I

>
>


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Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-23 by Paul

Thanks, Paul, I'll read the label on the glycerin at my pharmacy and check the purity before I buy it.

Oh, and I meant to say C6b.

Regards,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My
> > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> >
> Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> 
> Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf .
>  I use 99.7% pure.  I'm not sure what purity is needed.  Someone once
> commented that Walmart had glycerin.  I went into one and looked at what
> they had.  It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc.  I
> suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> chemicals might have.  So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is practically
> available.  Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much of
> a factor in printing.
> 
> Also,  unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> 
> Good luck with the mixing.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> I
> 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-23 by Paul

Thanks, Paul, I'll read the label on the glycerin at my pharmacy and check the purity before I buy it.

Oh, and I meant to say C6b.

Regards,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My
> > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> >
> Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> 
> Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf .
>  I use 99.7% pure.  I'm not sure what purity is needed.  Someone once
> commented that Walmart had glycerin.  I went into one and looked at what
> they had.  It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc.  I
> suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> chemicals might have.  So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is practically
> available.  Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much of
> a factor in printing.
> 
> Also,  unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> 
> Good luck with the mixing.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> I
> 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-23 by Paul

Oops, sorry... can someone delete my double post?

I should add that I'm going to try loading my color carts in the 3MK-R1800 setup with C6b instead of the MIS cleaning fluid. I have a hunch that cleaning fluid is what's causing my bad nozzle checks.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
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>
> Thanks, Paul, I'll read the label on the glycerin at my pharmacy and check the purity before I buy it.
> 
> Oh, and I meant to say C6b.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@> wrote:
> >
> > <paulmwhiting@> wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My
> > > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> > >
> > Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> > 
> > Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf .
> >  I use 99.7% pure.  I'm not sure what purity is needed.  Someone once
> > commented that Walmart had glycerin.  I went into one and looked at what
> > they had.  It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> > glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc.  I
> > suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> > chemicals might have.  So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is practically
> > available.  Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much of
> > a factor in printing.
> > 
> > Also,  unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> > no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> > 
> > Good luck with the mixing.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > I
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-23 by Seth Rossman

See if you can still find a pharmacy that still compounds medicines.  I 
found one 15 miles from me.  (They are getting rare!)

I was even able to order a pint of 99% isopropyl from there.

Seth

-- 
If I agreed with you both of us would be wrong.

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-23 by Paul

Thanks, Seth, actually the pharmacy I was referring to is in fact one that compounds medicines. And it's less than 2 miles away!

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Seth Rossman <seth@...> wrote:
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> See if you can still find a pharmacy that still compounds medicines.  I 
> found one 15 miles from me.  (They are getting rare!)
> 
> I was even able to order a pint of 99% isopropyl from there.
> 
> Seth
> 
> -- 
> If I agreed with you both of us would be wrong.
>

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-24 by Paul

Paul,

I've gathered all my ingredients, syringes etc and am ready to mix up the C6b. (By the way I found a great source for 35 ml syringes... the local ranch supply store here in Billings, Montana. They had them for $1.19, and are used for cattle! I already have the blunt needles.)

I'll be using the C6b in my color position carts and I want my nozzle checks to be visible. So I'd like to add a ml or two of Eboni black to the 500 ml of C6b. Should I alter the recipe, say a mil or two less of distilled water, or a mil or two less of something else? Or should I simply leave the recipe the way it is and add the Eboni "on top" of my mix?

Thanks,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >
> >
> > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol. My
> > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> >
> Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> 
> Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf .
>  I use 99.7% pure.  I'm not sure what purity is needed.  Someone once
> commented that Walmart had glycerin.  I went into one and looked at what
> they had.  It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc.  I
> suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> chemicals might have.  So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is practically
> available.  Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much of
> a factor in printing.
> 
> Also,  unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> 
> Good luck with the mixing.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> I
> 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-24 by Paul Roark

Paul,

Leave the formula as is and just add a little Eboni.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I've gathered all my ingredients, syringes etc and am ready to mix up the
> C6b. (By the way I found a great source for 35 ml syringes... the local
> ranch supply store here in Billings, Montana. They had them for $1.19, and
> are used for cattle! I already have the blunt needles.)
>
> I'll be using the C6b in my color position carts and I want my nozzle
> checks to be visible. So I'd like to add a ml or two of Eboni black to the
> 500 ml of C6b. Should I alter the recipe, say a mil or two less of
> distilled water, or a mil or two less of something else? Or should I simply
> leave the recipe the way it is and add the Eboni "on top" of my mix?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark
> <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> >
> > <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol.
> My
> > > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> > >
> > Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> >
> > Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf.
> > I use 99.7% pure. I'm not sure what purity is needed. Someone once
> > commented that Walmart had glycerin. I went into one and looked at what
> > they had. It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> > glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc. I
> > suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> > chemicals might have. So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is
> practically
> > available. Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much
> of
> > a factor in printing.
> >
> > Also, unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> > no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> >
> > Good luck with the mixing.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > I
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: [Digital BW] glycerol same as glycerine?

2013-04-25 by Paul

Thanks, Paul. I do have a genius for making simple things complicated.

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>
> Paul,
> 
> Leave the formula as is and just add a little Eboni.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Paul <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I've gathered all my ingredients, syringes etc and am ready to mix up the
> > C6b. (By the way I found a great source for 35 ml syringes... the local
> > ranch supply store here in Billings, Montana. They had them for $1.19, and
> > are used for cattle! I already have the blunt needles.)
> >
> > I'll be using the C6b in my color position carts and I want my nozzle
> > checks to be visible. So I'd like to add a ml or two of Eboni black to the
> > 500 ml of C6b. Should I alter the recipe, say a mil or two less of
> > distilled water, or a mil or two less of something else? Or should I simply
> > leave the recipe the way it is and add the Eboni "on top" of my mix?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark
> > <roark.paul@> wrote:
> > >
> > > <paulmwhiting@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ... I want to mix up Paul Roark's C6c base, which calls for glycerol.
> > My
> > > > pharmacy only stocks glycerine... is that the same thing?
> > > >
> > > Yes, glycerine = glycerol (aka glycerin). See
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol
> > >
> > > Note also footnote 8 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf.
> > > I use 99.7% pure. I'm not sure what purity is needed. Someone once
> > > commented that Walmart had glycerin. I went into one and looked at what
> > > they had. It appeared to me that it was simply a cosmetic that was mostly
> > > glycerin, but it had other things in it to make it smell nice, etc. I
> > > suppose nice smelling ink is OK, but I don't know what affect other
> > > chemicals might have. So, I'd stay with as high a purity as is
> > practically
> > > available. Overall the ink cost is going to be so low as to not be much
> > of
> > > a factor in printing.
> > >
> > > Also, unless you are going to print on Arches watercolor paper, there is
> > > no need to go to the C6c version with the additional surfactant in it.
> > >
> > > Good luck with the mixing.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > > I
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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