Digital BW, The Print

I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark and 
Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
excited than ever.

I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is amazing 
between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and the 
selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The silver 
print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.

The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks 
utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte Imageprint 
4 RIP.

In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have 
seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.

Mike

Michael J. Kravit
Architect/Photgrapher
Boca Raton, Florida

I agree with you Michael; the process is simple and problem free.  The
results are gorgeous.  After purchasing the Piezography software, switching
from Piezo ink to MIS FS was the best decision I've made.

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

> I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark and
> Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital
> reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more
> excited than ever.
> 
> I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a
> selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is amazing
> between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and the
> selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The silver
> print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
> 
> The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks
> utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte Imageprint
> 4 RIP.
> 
> In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have
> seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photgrapher
> Boca Raton, Florida

And I´ve just got 4 pints of the original...

Julian

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "mkravit" <michael.kravit@...>
Fecha: Viernes, Marzo 8, 2002 3:43 pm
Asunto: [Digital BW] MIS Full Spectrum Neutral Inks - Absolutely 
Impressive

> I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark 
> and 
> Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
> reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
> excited than ever.
> 
> I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
> selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is 
> amazing 
> between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and 
> the 
> selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The 
> silver 
> print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
> 
> The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks 
> utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte 
> Imageprint 
> 4 RIP.
> 
> In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I 
> have 
> seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photgrapher
> Boca Raton, Florida
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark 
and 
> Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
> reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
> excited than ever.
> 
> I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
> selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is amazing 
> between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and 
the 
> selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The silver 
> print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
> 

I too, would ask for details on what is better (ie. tone, quality, 
etc).

Also, is this limited to certain printers with Piezo driver? Would 
results be equally impressive with 7000, 1280, 1160, and are ink 
versions even available for both 4 and 6 ink printers?
TIA,
Jim H.

Could you please elaborate a little further on how it compares with the
Piezo print?

Adam

  -----Original Message-----
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  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] MIS Full Spectrum Neutral Inks - Absolutely
Impressive


  I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark and
  Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital
  reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more
  excited than ever.

  I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a
  selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is amazing
  between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and the
  selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The silver
  print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.

  The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks
  utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte Imageprint
  4 RIP.

  In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have
  seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.

  Mike

  Michael J. Kravit
  Architect/Photgrapher
  Boca Raton, Florida


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Michael J. Kravit wrote:

>I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks ...
>... The MIS FS N print and the
>selenium toned silver print are almost indistinguishable. ...
>The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with ...
> the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colorbyte ImagePrint
>4 RIP.

>In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have
>seen.

Mike, glad you like them.

The FS-Neutral inkset should also warm-shift noticeably less than other
quads.  Note that MIS may not have these inks on its website, so a telephone
call may be needed to order them.  I expect the FS-N and VM-Sepia (which
uses the FS-N inks in the gray positions) will also be sold as bulk ink only
until MIS is convinced there is enough demand to justify loading carts.

STEPHEN JENNINGS wrote:

>I agree with you Michael; the process is simple and problem free.  The
>results are gorgeous.  After purchasing the Piezography software, switching
>from Piezo ink to MIS FS was the best decision I've made.

I will do what I can to get us two competing, yet relatively compatible,
systems.  I am supporting the Piezo/FS standard as well as the MIS VM
approach, based on the feedback from this forum.

There is a good chance that there will be formal RIP support for the MIS VM
system soon also.  With a true RIP and an easy way to profile papers, the VM
approach should have the ease of the Piezo software with the flexibility of
the VM approach.

Note also that I published a formula for sepia FS for the Piezo driver.  I
don't know if MIS will make it.  That us usually a question of demand --
meaning whether you folks want it.  If there is demand, I'll finalize the
inkset for MIS.

With the standard FS, neutral FS (which is a hair cool), and sepia FS -- all
with the same densities -- users of that system would have a range of ink
tones.  In addition to using them as is, they could be mixed to produce
intermediate tones.  Because the densities of each ink position would be the
same, mixing ratios would not be critical.  I find that by just counting
drops of ink into a bottle cap, mixing it, and swabbing it onto my paper of
choice, I can determine the appropriate ratio for mixing two inks.

One of my next projects is to get a black ink that is neutral and warms
less.  I'm not sure it is possible to improve the MIS VM black, but I'm
going to give it a try.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul and Mike (others),

Is there a forumla available to make FS-N inks from FS inks. I have a 
set of FS and VM (both HEX) inks, and would love to experiment to 
make FS-N inks. Thank you for your work

Shilesh Jani

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Michael J. Kravit wrote:
> 
> >I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks ...
> >... The MIS FS N print and the
> >selenium toned silver print are almost indistinguishable. ...
> >The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with ...
> > the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colorbyte ImagePrint
> >4 RIP.
> 
> >In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have
> >seen.
> 
> Mike, glad you like them.
> 
> The FS-Neutral inkset should also warm-shift noticeably less than 
other
> quads.  Note that MIS may not have these inks on its website, so a 
telephone
> call may be needed to order them.  I expect the FS-N and VM-Sepia 
(which
> uses the FS-N inks in the gray positions) will also be sold as bulk 
ink only
> until MIS is convinced there is enough demand to justify loading 
carts.
> 
> STEPHEN JENNINGS wrote:
> 
> >I agree with you Michael; the process is simple and problem free.  
The
> >results are gorgeous.  After purchasing the Piezography software, 
switching
> >from Piezo ink to MIS FS was the best decision I've made.
> 
> I will do what I can to get us two competing, yet relatively 
compatible,
> systems.  I am supporting the Piezo/FS standard as well as the MIS 
VM
> approach, based on the feedback from this forum.
> 
> There is a good chance that there will be formal RIP support for 
the MIS VM
> system soon also.  With a true RIP and an easy way to profile 
papers, the VM
> approach should have the ease of the Piezo software with the 
flexibility of
> the VM approach.
> 
> Note also that I published a formula for sepia FS for the Piezo 
driver.  I
> don't know if MIS will make it.  That us usually a question of 
demand --
> meaning whether you folks want it.  If there is demand, I'll 
finalize the
> inkset for MIS.
> 
> With the standard FS, neutral FS (which is a hair cool), and sepia 
FS -- all
> with the same densities -- users of that system would have a range 
of ink
> tones.  In addition to using them as is, they could be mixed to 
produce
> intermediate tones.  Because the densities of each ink position 
would be the
> same, mixing ratios would not be critical.  I find that by just 
counting
> drops of ink into a bottle cap, mixing it, and swabbing it onto my 
paper of
> choice, I can determine the appropriate ratio for mixing two inks.
> 
> One of my next projects is to get a black ink that is neutral and 
warms
> less.  I'm not sure it is possible to improve the MIS VM black, but 
I'm

> going to give it a try.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Shilesh Jani wrote:

>Is there a formula available to make FS-N inks from FS inks. ...

Sorry, there is no formula to convert standard FS inks to FS-N.  

Paul 
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Mike, any observations in daylight, tungsten and florecents, and of course which paper your using. Sounds like a great ink set to me.
Steve M.

Mike-

You're making me want to waste some ink... I had just started a set 
of the "old" FS inks when the new ones were announced... I have four 
16 oz. Bottles on the shelf that just started whispering to 
me, "throw the old ink out, throw the old ink out..." 

If you write one more message like this, I will throw them out... Now 
that I've seen one of your prints, I am even more ready to follow 
your advice !!!

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark 
and 
> Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
> reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
> excited than ever.
> 
> I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
> selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is 
amazing 
> between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and 
the 
> selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The 
silver 
> print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
> 
> The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks 
> utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte 
Imageprint 

> 4 RIP.
> 
> In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have 
> seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photgrapher
> Boca Raton, Florida

Julian,

Me too. I am frantically trying to use up the old ink. Good news is 
that I just change carts w/o flushing the system. Takes one or two 
prints for the inks to fully change over.

This is certainly the easy way to change between inks.

Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., JULIANTHOMAS 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:

> And I´ve just got 4 pints of the original...
> 
> Julian

Paul,

Without going into much detail at this time, I think that this 
approach will be outstanding. The ability to load a variable mix 
inkset and using a RIP with ICC profiled papers (with the VM inks) 
just pick the tone and the paper and away you go.

Really exciting stuff.

I know you will be indundated with questions, but lets not give away 
any secrets that will make people REALLY excited until we know for 
sure that it will work.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> There is a good chance that there will be formal RIP support for 
the MIS VM
> system soon also.  With a true RIP and an easy way to profile 
papers, the VM
> approach should have the ease of the Piezo software with the 
flexibility of
> the VM approach.

Jim,

I will write up a detailed answer to everyones questions and post it 
either this evening or tomorrow. I was swamped in the office today 
and could not respond untill now. Two people wrote me off-list, but I 
will answer all in a little while.

But for now, yes, these inks will work on any printer using the 
ImagePrint 4 RIP or Piezo Driver/RIP versions.


Mike



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jimhayes361" 
<jimhayes@j...> wrote:

> 
> I too, would ask for details on what is better (ie. tone, quality, 
> etc).
> 
> Also, is this limited to certain printers with Piezo driver? Would 
> results be equally impressive with 7000, 1280, 1160, and are ink 
> versions even available for both 4 and 6 ink printers?
> TIA,
> Jim H.

Piezo prints have a green component. Whether people want to admit it 
or not, the solvent used in the Piezo inks is green. This adds a 
green cast to the print.

The MIS FS Neutral inks utilizing the Piezo Driver/RIP or ImagePrint 
4 RIP and results completely dotless smooth prints with a selenium 
toned look.


Mike


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mahesi Caplan-Faust" 
<caplan@n...> wrote:
> Could you please elaborate a little further on how it compares with 
the
> Piezo print?

Steve,

My test prints have been viewed under tungsten, cool white 
fluorescent, warm white fluorescent, and color corrected fluorescent 
(In my office). Obviously the prints will look somewhat fifferent 
under the light it is exposed to, but I see no discernable metamerism 
or other color shift.

The prints have been made on Bright Cube Eclipse, Hahnemuhle Photo 
Rag 308 and William Turner.

Mike

 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sdmey4@a... wrote:
> Mike, any observations in daylight, tungsten and florecents, and of 
course which paper your using. Sounds like a great ink set to me.
> Steve M.

Tom and others,

OK, here are my thoughts.

I have been awaiting Cones selenium inks for almost a year. Reminds 
me of Vaporware the software people are constantly announcing. So 
with that in mind here is my justification for my statements.

1. In the 9 months that I printed with the Piezo ink set my printer 
built up sludge. The Piezo inks clog many printers and I experienced 
a very serious clogging problem. Many people using these inks and the 
7000 and I did claimed they did not have this problem. Later I found 
out that they did not print anywhere near the 1500 images that I did 
within the same 6 month period. Now, almost 8 months later I have 
read on another list that these people are also having sludge buildup 
problems.

2. Piezo inks appear to have a green cast. Not everyone sees this, 
but using a color densitometer measuring the RGB curves, it seems 
that the Piezo inks do indeed have a green component that breaks away 
and down from the red and blue H&D curve lines. I don't want green 
prints. Placing a Piezo print next to a platinum print the tonal 
range was very similar, but in juxtaposition you can really see 
the "green tint".

3. I could no longer wait for a neutral inkset that did not clog my 
printer. Cone promised he would be releasing a newly formulated ink 
that would not clog and would be neutral. I had hoped it would be 
released earlier this year. Never came on the market.

4. I wanted a flexible printing system that I could have papers 
profiled for without depending on the manufacturer to release his 
proprietary ICQ profiles as and when "He" wanted to.

5. Enter Colorbyte Software. I purchased the ImagePrint 4 RIP. The 
first version I received would up with a bug or two, but the 
developer sent me a newer version that fixed the problem I was 
having. I am using this RIP with the MIS FS inks. The densities of 
the MIS FS inks are for all intents and purposes identical to Piezo 
inks. I have been running the MIS FS inks for the better part of 6 
months. My heads, dampers and waste ink station look as clean as the 
day they were replaced. The MIS FS inks have not clogged my machine. 
I have had to do the ocassional cleaning cycle, but that is it. This 
is a big advantage for me. Sometimes I print all weekend and then do 
not print for days.

PART 2 to follow
Enter the MIS FS Neutral Inks.

Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <tomoc@y...> wrote:
> Mike-
> Now that I've seen one of your prints, I am even more ready to 
follow your advice !!!

> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@y...
> www.thomasoconnell.com

At 02:43 PM 3/8/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark and 
>Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
>reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
>excited than ever.
>
>I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
>selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is amazing 
>between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and the 
>selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The silver 
>print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
>
>The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks 
>utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte Imageprint 
>4 RIP.
>
>In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have 
>seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.
>
>Mike
>
>Michael J. Kravit
>Architect/Photgrapher
>Boca Raton, Florida
>
>
Michael,

Your delight is encouraging.  Will you please share with us your equipment,
processes, and media?  i.e format, scanner, printer, paper - anything
special that will provide a shopping list for someone who wants to begin
from the beginning.  I have been doing piezos from 35mm format with some
success but would like to move on to newer printing equipment. It seems
piezo is bottomed out in last generation printers. 

thanks,

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

http://www.lookaroundcam.com/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Very interesting Mike, I just got a new 7000 and was considering the 
Piezo and imageprint RIP software to run with my MIS sepia/neutral 
inksets. Haven't tried the FS inks. Will be very interested in 
following this thread.

Bruce McElhaney 
McElhaney Photography Studio
Livonia, MI


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Tom and others,
> 
> OK, here are my thoughts.
> 
> I have been awaiting Cones selenium inks for almost a year. Reminds 
> me of Vaporware the software people are constantly announcing. So 
> with that in mind here is my justification for my statements.
> 
> 1. In the 9 months that I printed with the Piezo ink set my printer 
> built up sludge. The Piezo inks clog many printers and I 
experienced 
> a very serious clogging problem. Many people using these inks and 
the 
> 7000 and I did claimed they did not have this problem. Later I 
found 
> out that they did not print anywhere near the 1500 images that I 
did 
> within the same 6 month period. Now, almost 8 months later I have 
> read on another list that these people are also having sludge 
buildup 
> problems.
> 
> 2. Piezo inks appear to have a green cast. Not everyone sees this, 
> but using a color densitometer measuring the RGB curves, it seems 
> that the Piezo inks do indeed have a green component that breaks 
away 
> and down from the red and blue H&D curve lines. I don't want green 
> prints. Placing a Piezo print next to a platinum print the tonal 
> range was very similar, but in juxtaposition you can really see 
> the "green tint".
> 
> 3. I could no longer wait for a neutral inkset that did not clog my 
> printer. Cone promised he would be releasing a newly formulated ink 
> that would not clog and would be neutral. I had hoped it would be 
> released earlier this year. Never came on the market.
> 
> 4. I wanted a flexible printing system that I could have papers 
> profiled for without depending on the manufacturer to release his 
> proprietary ICQ profiles as and when "He" wanted to.
> 
> 5. Enter Colorbyte Software. I purchased the ImagePrint 4 RIP. The 
> first version I received would up with a bug or two, but the 
> developer sent me a newer version that fixed the problem I was 
> having. I am using this RIP with the MIS FS inks. The densities of 
> the MIS FS inks are for all intents and purposes identical to Piezo 
> inks. I have been running the MIS FS inks for the better part of 6 
> months. My heads, dampers and waste ink station look as clean as 
the 
> day they were replaced. The MIS FS inks have not clogged my 
machine. 
> I have had to do the ocassional cleaning cycle, but that is it. 
This 
> is a big advantage for me. Sometimes I print all weekend and then 
do 
> not print for days.
> 
> PART 2 to follow
> Enter the MIS FS Neutral Inks.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tomoc" <tomoc@y...> 
wrote:

> > Mike-
> > Now that I've seen one of your prints, I am even more ready to 
> follow your advice !!!
> > 
> > Tom O'Connell
> > 
> > TomOC@y...
> > www.thomasoconnell.com

6. Last week I received the newly forulated MIS Full Spectrum Neutral 
inks. I pulled out the MIS FS (Regular) inks and inserted the 
Neutrals. I ran a couple of 16x20 images as I did not want to first 
purge the ink and then refill the lines. This wastes a lot of ink and 
to service the 7000 and have the waste ink pads changes costs around 
$160.

After the old ink was purged and the new ink was flowing I ran a few 
prints of images I have come to love. I printed these images 
utilizing the ImagePrint 4 and Piezography drivers. The prints were 
almost identical with the exception that the IP4 images had deeper 
blacks (Due to the RIP) and more open shadows(Due to the shadow 
compression in the Piezo Driver).

The tone of the prints (both Piezo driver w/ MIS FS N and IP4 RIP w/ 
MIS FS N) was a lovely graphite gray in color. Placed next to a one 
of my older Piezo (ink) prints, the Piezo print appeared to be VERY 
warm and a bit green. The MIS FS (Regular) print was warmer than the 
MIS FS Neutral print, but not as warm as the old Piezo print. 

I next placed the MIS FS N prints next to a selenium toned silver 
gelatin print by Mark Klett. This print is named "Contemplating 
Murley Point". The print is made on a matt fiber base paper and was 
selenium toned. The new MIS FS N prints made on Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 
308 were as close in color as I had seen. I framed one of the prints 
and placed it behind acrylic. I frame all of my collection prints 
behind acrylic to prevent damage to the print in the event of 
breakage and so as not to get a "green" cast from glass.

Side by side, it is impossible to tell these prints apart with 
respect to medium.  That is, without taking the prints out of the 
frames or shining light on an angle to actually discern the papEr 
texture, it is really hard to see that one is not a silver gelatin 
print. Now keep in mind that my idea of the ultimage fine art print 
is a hand crafted platinum/palladium print on Risings Vellum. But, 
since we are trying to get the color of our "Carbon Pigment" prints 
as close as we can, for now this appears to be as good as it gets.

BTW, as a footnote to my comment about MIS inks not clogging my 
printer. The only time I have had to do any cleaning cycles was a few 
weeks ago when the humidity here in S. Florida was in the 20-30% 
range. Every door handle I touched resulted in a static discharge, 
something that we almost never see in this area.

My recommendation is to try these inks. I have no vested interest in 
MIS, IJM or any other company except my own architectural firm. I 
just want a reliable, stable medium to make my prints the best that 
they can be. For me, Hahnemuhle papers, and MIS inks are the key. 
Keep in mind that with the way this technology is changing, in 15 
minutes everything I have written here will be obsolete.

My best to everyone.

Mike

Michael J. Kravit
Architect/Photgrapher
Boca Raton, Florida

Bruce,

For my money the IP4 RIP does everything I want including color 
printing with CcMmYK inks on a large selection of machines. It is 
available for Macs, and the 1280 desktop printer at a cost comparable 
to the Piezo Driver.

The MIS inks are very economical and IMO far more stable with repect 
to fading and color shift with age. For me they do not clog as 
compared to my experience with the Piezo inks.

I also can send the Colorbyte people a paper sample with a 
linearization pattern printed and they will profile the paper for me 
at a reasonable cost. 

I have received numerous compliments on my "Carbon Pigment Prints" 
from the likes of Dr. Richard Zakia (Who owns one), Gordon Brown (X-
Kodak), Tom Lopez (University of Miami), Vincent Versache, George 
DeWolfe and Arnold Newman.

As far as I am concerned, the combination of the ImagePrint 4 RIP or 
(Piezo Driver) and the MIS FS or MIS FS N inks is the way to go. Now 
of course this is meant to take nothing from Paul Roark as we are 
friends and I use the MIS VM inks in my 1280 and love it. I am really 
excited to see how the MIS VM inks work out with the RIP solution 
that hopefully will be announced soon.

Mike



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "btmcelhaney" 
<kmcelhaney@t...> wrote:
> Very interesting Mike, I just got a new 7000 and was considering 
the 

> Piezo and imageprint RIP software to run with my MIS sepia/neutral 
> inksets. Haven't tried the FS inks. Will be very interested in 
> following this thread.
> 
> Bruce McElhaney 
> McElhaney Photography Studio
> Livonia, MI

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
Mike,

Thanks for the comments. I wonder how Paul's suggestion of a "VM" 
inkset for hex printers that would go from cold to sepia could be 
implemented, that is, if it's possible with some tweaking to get 
curves from cool blue, cool selenium to warmish, and further, to 
Sepia. A neat trick if possible. Then one could print a tone to match 
the FS neutral you have in front of you OR sepia or blue or chocolate, 
or Neopoliton, or....<g>
Jim H.





> 
> BTW, as a footnote to my comment about MIS inks not clogging my 
> printer. The only time I have had to do any cleaning cycles was a 
few 

> weeks ago when the humidity here in S. Florida was in the 20-30% 
> range. Every door handle I touched resulted in a static discharge, 
> something that we almost never see in this area.
> 
> My recommendation is to try these inks. I have no vested interest in 
> MIS, IJM or any other company except my own architectural firm. I 
> just want a reliable, stable medium to make my prints the best that 
> they can be. For me, Hahnemuhle papers, and MIS inks are the key. 
> Keep in mind that with the way this technology is changing, in 15 
> minutes everything I have written here will be obsolete.
> 
> My best to everyone.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photgrapher
> Boca Raton, Florida

In a message dated 3/8/2002 8:19:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
michael.kravit@... writes:


> There is a good chance that there will be formal RIP support for 
> the MIS VM
> > system soon also.  With a true RIP and an easy way to profile 
> papers, the VM
> > approach should have the ease of the Piezo software with the 
> flexibility of
> > the VM approach.
> 

Sorry, I didn't see this earlier.
George j Kunze


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi
 I am new to this group and am thinking of setting up to produce
black 
and white prints. I have been looking at the postings for a couple of 
weeks and learning a lot, but am confused over a couple of things.

1) with regard to the MIS FS neutral inks, at one point they are 
described at graphite grey, which sounds great, then again as 
comparing to a selenium toned silver print, not so good for me. Which 
is it?

2) People have recommended the Niagara CIS system in combination with 
MIS inks. What is wrong with the MIS continous ink system? It's 
cheaper. Does the Niagara offer any advantages?

3) I have serious pizza wheel markings on glossy paper on my Epson 
750. Any suggestions as to how to remedy?

Thanks for any help you can give

Eric  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> I received a set of the final MIS FS Neutral inks that Paul Roark 
and 
> Bob Zeiss have be working on for the past few months. My inital 
> reaction was one of excitement. Now a few days later I am more 
> excited than ever.
> 
> I have a print sitting on bookcase next to a Piezo Print and a 
> selenium toned Ilford Multigrade FB print. The difference is
amazing 
> between the Piezo print and the other two. The MIS FS N print and 
the 
> selenium toned silver print are almost indestinguishible. The
silver 
> print is one of Mark Kletts desert images.
> 
> The MIS FS Neutral inks work as plug and play with the Piezo inks 
> utilizing the Piezo driver or RIP as well as the Colobyte
Imageprint 

> 4 RIP.
> 
> In all honesty, these inks make the best "inkjet" B/W prints I have 
> seen. And many of you know I have seen some incredible images.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J. Kravit
> Architect/Photgrapher
> Boca Rat