2013-11-26 by <paulmwhiting@...>
(hope it's ok to cross post!)
At first, I did not remove the vent plug because it looked like it had a
hole in it, and the printer graphic showed all red x's in each cart.
Then I pulled a plug and noticed the little hole did not go all the way
through, so I removed all the plugs. Still no luck.
I also
wondered about the seal on the outlet at the bottom... it was a small
square transparent material but I left it on, figuring this was how the
nipple would puncture the plastic and make a tight fit.
Other
Epson printers give the warning message about using a non-Epson cart,
but they would still let me ignore the message and use the cartridge.
Hope nothing serious is wrong.
Thanks,
2013-11-26 by <roark.paul@...>
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> At first, I did not remove the vent plug ...
With the MIS carts I'm familiar with, you need to remove the vent plug, but leave the one over the reservoir.
>... the printer graphic showed all red x's in each cart.
That would not be caused by the plugs being in or out.
> I also
wondered about the seal on the outlet at the bottom... it was a small
square transparent material but I left it on, figuring this was how the
nipple would puncture the plastic and make a tight fit.
Those should have been pierced when the carts were inserted into the printer. If not, they the carts were not pushed in far enough. If they were not pushed in far enough, the Epson monitor would show a red X. The chip is not making contact.
> Other
Epson printers give the warning message about using a non-Epson cart,
but they would still let me ignore the message and use the cartridge.
I assume that is the case with the 1430 also.
> Hope nothing serious is wrong.
Have you tried the OEM Claria carts?
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
2013-11-26 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks Paul,
Well I know you're supposed to remove the vent plug, tape, whatever... but what threw me was that the plug had a small hole right in the center. Turns out it did not go all the way through, probably had something to do with the way they molded the plastic. So then I simply removed it.
Yes, the plastic shield at the export vent was pierced... I'll check and see how thoroughly they were pierced. As for the chip not making contact... I'll try giving the carts a nudge from the back. Mathew did suggest that if just one or two carts were not being recognized.
As for the OEM Claria carts, yes, I installed those right away to make sure the printer was working, and I got perfect color prints. It's been my understanding it's best to give the printer a shake-down cruise with the OEM carts because if it's not working the first thing Epson will ask is if you're using their carts. If I say no, the return warranty is not honored.
I'll try some of the tweaks we've talked about tomorrow morning when I'm fresh. It would be wonderful to find a simple solution at my end and not have to go through the hassle of returning them. These carts are extremely snug and very difficult to remove - which tells me this might have something to do with the chip not making contact. I could also give the chips a swab with some cleaning fluid. Maybe we're on to something.
Thanks so much,
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> At first, I did not remove the vent plug ...
With the MIS carts I'm familiar with, you need to remove the vent plug, but leave the one over the reservoir.
>... the printer graphic showed all red x's in each cart.
That would not be caused by the plugs being in or out.
> I also
wondered about the seal on the outlet at the bottom... it was a small
square transparent material but I left it on, figuring this was how the
nipple would puncture the plastic and make a tight fit.
Those should have been pierced when the carts were inserted into the printer. If not, they the carts were not pushed in far enough. If they were not pushed in far enough, the Epson monitor would show a red X. The chip is not making contact.
> Other
Epson printers give the warning message about using a non-Epson cart,
but they would still let me ignore the message and use the cartridge.
I assume that is the case with the 1430 also.
> Hope nothing serious is wrong.
Have you tried the OEM Claria carts?
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
2013-11-26 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Paul, on a more encouraging note:
Yesterday I got word that one of my prints was accepted in the spring auction at the Yellowstone Art Museum here in Billings. This is the third year in a row my carbon prints have been accepted. And last year I was asked to give a talk on carbon prints a the local historic preservation group.
And I usually mention you and your pioneering work... so our sweat and tears are bearing fruit!
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Thanks Paul,
Well I know you're supposed to remove the vent plug, tape, whatever... but what threw me was that the plug had a small hole right in the center. Turns out it did not go all the way through, probably had something to do with the way they molded the plastic. So then I simply removed it.
Yes, the plastic shield at the export vent was pierced... I'll check and see how thoroughly they were pierced. As for the chip not making contact... I'll try giving the carts a nudge from the back. Mathew did suggest that if just one or two carts were not being recognized.
As for the OEM Claria carts, yes, I installed those right away to make sure the printer was working, and I got perfect color prints. It's been my understanding it's best to give the printer a shake-down cruise with the OEM carts because if it's not working the first thing Epson will ask is if you're using their carts. If I say no, the return warranty is not honored.
I'll try some of the tweaks we've talked about tomorrow morning when I'm fresh. It would be wonderful to find a simple solution at my end and not have to go through the hassle of returning them. These carts are extremely snug and very difficult to remove - which tells me this might have something to do with the chip not making contact. I could also give the chips a swab with some cleaning fluid. Maybe we're on to something.
Thanks so much,
Paul
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---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> At first, I did not remove the vent plug ...
With the MIS carts I'm familiar with, you need to remove the vent plug, but leave the one over the reservoir.
>... the printer graphic showed all red x's in each cart.
That would not be caused by the plugs being in or out.
> I also
wondered about the seal on the outlet at the bottom... it was a small
square transparent material but I left it on, figuring this was how the
nipple would puncture the plastic and make a tight fit.
Those should have been pierced when the carts were inserted into the printer. If not, they the carts were not pushed in far enough. If they were not pushed in far enough, the Epson monitor would show a red X. The chip is not making contact.
> Other
Epson printers give the warning message about using a non-Epson cart,
but they would still let me ignore the message and use the cartridge.
I assume that is the case with the 1430 also.
> Hope nothing serious is wrong.
Have you tried the OEM Claria carts?
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
2013-11-26 by Paul Roark
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-11-27 by <homershannon@...>
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM,
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Paul, on a more encouraging note:
Yesterday I got word that one of my prints was accepted in the spring auction at the Yellowstone Art Museum here in Billings. This is the third year in a row my carbon prints have been accepted. And last year I was asked to give a talk on carbon prints a the local historic preservation group.
And I usually mention you and your pioneering work... so our sweat and tears are bearing fruit!
Paul
---In
digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Thanks Paul,
Well I know you're supposed to remove the vent plug, tape, whatever... but what threw me was that the plug had a small hole right in the center. Turns out it did not go all the way through, probably had something to do with the way they molded the plastic. So then I simply removed it.
Yes, the plastic shield at the export vent was pierced... I'll check and see how thoroughly they were pierced. As for the chip not making contact... I'll try giving the carts a nudge from the back. Mathew did suggest that if just one or two carts were not being recognized.
As for the OEM Claria carts, yes, I installed those right away to make sure the printer was working, and I got perfect color prints. It's been my understanding it's best to give the printer a shake-down cruise with the OEM carts because if it's not working the first thing Epson will ask is if you're using their carts. If I say no, the return warranty is not honored.
I'll try some of the tweaks we've talked about tomorrow morning when I'm fresh. It would be wonderful to find a simple solution at my end and not have to go through the hassle of returning them. These carts are extremely snug and very difficult to remove - which tells me this might have something to do with the chip not making contact. I could also give the chips a swab with some cleaning fluid. Maybe we're on to something.
Thanks so much,
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
> At first, I did not remove the vent plug ...
With the MIS carts I'm familiar with, you need to remove the vent plug, but leave the one over the reservoir.
>... the printer graphic showed all red x's in each cart.
That would not be caused by the plugs being in or out.
> I also
wondered about the seal on the outlet at the bottom... it was a small
square transparent material but I left it on, figuring this was how the
nipple would puncture the plastic and make a tight fit.
Those should have been pierced when the carts were inserted into the printer. If not, they the carts were not pushed in far enough. If they were not pushed in far enough, the Epson monitor would show a red X. The chip is not making contact.
> Other
Epson printers give the warning message about using a non-Epson cart,
but they would still let me ignore the message and use the cartridge.
I assume that is the case with the 1430 also.
> Hope nothing serious is wrong.
Have you tried the OEM Claria carts?
Paul
2013-11-27 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Homer,
Yes it is a 1400. It's a refurb, so is like new and it worked perfectly with the OEM carts that came with it.
Thank you for checking!
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <homershannon@...> wrote:
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
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---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-11-27 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Well, this morning (Wed) I did try and re-seat the carts per Mathew's (tech support person at MIS) suggestions, tried two or three times actually. I also swabbed the chip and contact wires with some cleaning fluid, but that did not help. I'm now waiting to hear from MIS asking whether this set can be replaced, under terms of the warranty.
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Homer,
Yes it is a 1400. It's a refurb, so is like new and it worked perfectly with the OEM carts that came with it.
Thank you for checking!
Paul
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---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <homershannon@...> wrote:
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-11-27 by <paulmwhiting@...>
I just received a suggestion in Yahoo! mail asking if I had primed these carts. I answered no, I haven't. I'm familiar with that technique, having used it when I refilled my MIS carts for my R1800. I used a adapter on my syringe that was cut off at a beveled angle. But the carts I installed on my 1400 were prefilled by MIS, using the Eboni 6 inkset and I didn't think this was necessary.
So, do I need to prime these carts? I thought the printer went through an initializing (same as priming?) routine when new carts were installed. After all, I didn't have to prime the OEM color carts.
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Well, this morning (Wed) I did try and re-seat the carts per Mathew's (tech support person at MIS) suggestions, tried two or three times actually. I also swabbed the chip and contact wires with some cleaning fluid, but that did not help. I'm now waiting to hear from MIS asking whether this set can be replaced, under terms of the warranty.
Paul
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---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Homer,
Yes it is a 1400. It's a refurb, so is like new and it worked perfectly with the OEM carts that came with it.
Thank you for checking!
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <homershannon@...> wrote:
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-11-27 by <paulmwhiting@...>
I just received a suggestion in
Yahoo! mail asking if I had primed these carts. I answered no, I
haven't. I'm familiar with that technique, having used it when I
refilled my MIS carts for my R1800. I used a adapter on my syringe that
was cut off at a beveled angle. But the carts I installed on my 1400
were prefilled by MIS, using the Eboni 6 inkset and I didn't think this
was necessary.
So,
do I need to prime these carts? I thought the printer went through an
initializing (same as priming?) routine when new carts were installed.
After all, I didn't have to prime the OEM color carts.
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Well, this morning (Wed) I did try and re-seat the carts per Mathew's (tech support person at MIS) suggestions, tried two or three times actually. I also swabbed the chip and contact wires with some cleaning fluid, but that did not help. I'm now waiting to hear from MIS asking whether this set can be replaced, under terms of the warranty.
Paul
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---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Homer,
Yes it is a 1400. It's a refurb, so is like new and it worked perfectly with the OEM carts that came with it.
Thank you for checking!
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <homershannon@...> wrote:
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-11-27 by <paulmwhiting@...>
sorry for the double post... please, group moderator, feel free to delete one of them - and then this request. I'm still having trouble navigating the new (not so new now) Yahoo group format.
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
I just received a suggestion in
Yahoo! mail asking if I had primed these carts. I answered no, I
haven't. I'm familiar with that technique, having used it when I
refilled my MIS carts for my R1800. I used a adapter on my syringe that
was cut off at a beveled angle. But the carts I installed on my 1400
were prefilled by MIS, using the Eboni 6 inkset and I didn't think this
was necessary.
So,
do I need to prime these carts? I thought the printer went through an
initializing (same as priming?) routine when new carts were installed.
After all, I didn't have to prime the OEM color carts.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Well, this morning (Wed) I did try and re-seat the carts per Mathew's (tech support person at MIS) suggestions, tried two or three times actually. I also swabbed the chip and contact wires with some cleaning fluid, but that did not help. I'm now waiting to hear from MIS asking whether this set can be replaced, under terms of the warranty.
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Homer,
Yes it is a 1400. It's a refurb, so is like new and it worked perfectly with the OEM carts that came with it.
Thank you for checking!
Paul
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <homershannon@...> wrote:
Paul:
Just to be clear - you are putting new cartridges in a 1400, correct? I found out the hard way that older cartridges will not work in the 1430. Some people, including me, often generically refer to both models as the '1400'.
It sounds like you have the cartridges correctly installed. Give them a good push on top of the cartridge to make sure they snap in and lock.
Even if you are not printing, you can check the cartridge status this way:
Go to Start>devices and printers>1400 printer>adjust print options>maintenance>status monitor. This will show you your cartridge status. You should see all six by color with no X's. Typically the levels shown will not be accurate with 3rd party cartridges.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Excellent. Congratulations.
Paul
2013-12-06 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Still having no luck getting my MIS refillable carts (prefilled with MIS Eboni-6) to be recognized by my 1400. It's been two weeks since I initiated a request for help at the MIS helpdesk. Had one suggestion which did not help and have since asked for what to do next but have had no response. When I phone I get a recorded msg saying all agents are busy. I'd like to know what to do.. return these for a new set, get a refund or credit, or what. I've asked that but so far no response.
In the meantime I've ordered a set of empty but refillable carts from Jon Cone. I've been very impressed with his quick response to e-mails, even in the evening. He claims they've had close cooperation with the company in China and have maintained good quality control. I've mixed up some C6b base a la Paul Roark so am poised to fill my Cone carts with the six different dilutions of Eboni.
However am running low on Eboni. Jon has an ink called Piezo Warm Neutral. I asked him if this is similar to Eboni but he said he has not seen Eboni carbon prints so cannot answer that - I appreciated his honesty. Can anyone tell me if that would be a worthy substitute for Eboni? Or should I try another source for Eboni and stick with what we know works?
I hate to desert MIS... I've looked at other websites but MIS can't be beat in terms of a wide variety of supplies we all need... syringes, individual carts, chips, empty bottles, etc.etc. And I've appreciated their close association with Paul Roark who has done so much for our b/w print community.
2013-12-06 by Pete Bergstrom
I ordered a set of the Piezography sample prints when I first started research about 3 years ago, so they might be a little outdated. However, I do think that the Eboni/C6b combination (at least for my 2200) is very similar to the Warm Neutral. I started with the Piezography Neutral and switched to Eboni for a bit warmer color and more control. The Piezography Sepia is considerably warmer than Eboni to my eye.
Pete
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On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM,
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Still having no luck getting my MIS refillable carts (prefilled with MIS Eboni-6) to be recognized by my 1400. It's been two weeks since I initiated a request for help at the MIS helpdesk. Had one suggestion which did not help and have since asked for what to do next but have had no response. When I phone I get a recorded msg saying all agents are busy. I'd like to know what to do.. return these for a new set, get a refund or credit, or what. I've asked that but so far no response.
In the meantime I've ordered a set of empty but refillable carts from Jon Cone. I've been very impressed with his quick response to e-mails, even in the evening. He claims they've had close cooperation with the company in China and have maintained good quality control. I've mixed up some C6b base a la Paul Roark so am poised to fill my Cone carts with the six different dilutions of Eboni.
However am running low on Eboni. Jon has an ink called Piezo Warm Neutral. I asked him if this is similar to Eboni but he said he has not seen Eboni carbon prints so cannot answer that - I appreciated his honesty. Can anyone tell me if that would be a worthy substitute for Eboni? Or should I try another source for Eboni and stick with what we know works?
I hate to desert MIS... I've looked at other websites but MIS can't be beat in terms of a wide variety of supplies we all need... syringes, individual carts, chips, empty bottles, etc.etc. And I've appreciated their close association with Paul Roark who has done so much for our b/w print community.
2013-12-06 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks, Pete, that's good information.
Another thing occurs to me... I may not be able to mix my own dilutions, as in C-6, Paul's open-source version of Eboni-6. His recipe is built on his base, C6b, and Piezo-Neutral may not be happy with that. You never know! Plus, the warm-cool issue depends somewhat on the paper, too.
Regards,
Paul
2013-12-06 by Paul Roark
2013-12-07 by Paul Roark
2013-12-07 by <homershannon@...>
Paul:
To bad about the carts. I don't know what else to add. I've had good luck with MIS and I like to support them as they are the best source for black and white supplies. (That said, I did just get a set of Cone TrhiftInk CL archival color inks. I'm hoping it is way more durable than MIS D2, which fades badly.)
I've posted test prints of C6 ink on Red River Fine Art White and Polar Matte at http://sdrv.ms/1bpICuL. Viewed on a color-corrected screen, these should give you a pretty good idea of the ink's warmth. The gradation using gamma 2.2 and printer controls is outstanding! (Thank you, Paul Roark). Those images are in a public folder, there may be some other items you want to view, so feel free to poke around.
Homer Shannon
---In digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Still having no luck getting my MIS refillable carts (prefilled with MIS Eboni-6) to be recognized by my 1400...
Justin at MIS (Inksupply.com) tells me there are no problems with supplies of Eboni or Eb6. They did have some issues with the chips. Your warranty-replacement pre-filled carts should be mailed by them Monday.
Paul
2013-12-07 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks Paul,
"None of the inks I've tried from Jon Cone are equal to MIS Eboni."
That's what I was hoping to hear... I do want to support MIS. And I'll let you know how Jon's carts work out. It may be a while, however, since I see I have another set of pre-filled carts coming from MIS Monday. Thanks for your help on that score.
Paul
2013-12-07 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Paul,
Maybe I'll try and reach Justin first thing Monday and see if he can add a pint of Eboni and half a dozen empty 4oz bottles. Thanks again for facilitating this. Maybe my set had the bad chips.
Regards,
Paul
2013-12-07 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks, Homer,
I totally agree with you about the supplies from MIS. I began some serious searching at other websites and no one had the breadth and depth for supplies that MIS did.
Interesting website you have, you've done some extensive testing I see. I'll have to study it more, some of that testing is a bit over my head!
Here's my website: www.paulwhitingphotography.com These are not prints, but simple what resulted from some scans. I print using the 3MK/1800 setup on Premier Art FineArt (without the OBs).
Regards,
Paul
2013-12-13 by <paulmwhiting@...>
MIS sent me a replacement set of Eboni6 carts (very quick service this time, thank you MIS!) but my 1400 won't recognize these either. Had a good exchange of e-mails with Mathew over there at MIS, we've come to the conclusion it must be the printer. All six carts were unrecognized, with both sets, and he said they've never seen that. They've sold hundreds with no problems.
I'm in a Catch-22... the printer, a refurb, works fine with Epson carts and of course they don't honor the warranty if I'm using 3rd party carts. Anyone else using a refurb 1400 with MIS carts? I did order a set of empty carts from Inkjet Mall, and my only option is to fill those with Paul's Carbon 6 recipe inks and see if they are recognized. Or sell it on eBay, with full disclosure of course. It's practically new.
Any consoling thoughts out there? It is Friday the 13th after all.
Paul
2013-12-13 by Paul Roark
You might try re-installing the driver. First delete all the 1400 drivers that you find on your computer. This type of software issue might be in firmware that you can't get into.
"
Warrantors cannot require that only branded parts be used with the product in order to retain the warranty.[7] This is commonly referred to as the "tie-in sales" provisions,[8] and is frequently mentioned in the context of third-party computer parts, such as memory and hard drives."
Paul
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:03 PM,
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
MIS sent me a replacement set of Eboni6 carts (very quick service this time, thank you MIS!) but my 1400 won't recognize these either. Had a good exchange of e-mails with Mathew over there at MIS, we've come to the conclusion it must be the printer. All six carts were unrecognized, with both sets, and he said they've never seen that. They've sold hundreds with no problems.
I'm in a Catch-22... the printer, a refurb, works fine with Epson carts and of course they don't honor the warranty if I'm using 3rd party carts. Anyone else using a refurb 1400 with MIS carts? I did order a set of empty carts from Inkjet Mall, and my only option is to fill those with Paul's Carbon 6 recipe inks and see if they are recognized. Or sell it on eBay, with full disclosure of course. It's practically new.
Any consoling thoughts out there? It is Friday the 13th after all.
Paul
2013-12-13 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks, Paul, I'll try that tomorrow. I've also gotten to know, by phone anyway, a member of this group who uses a refurb 1400 and your Carbon-6 inkset. He had no trouble.. interestingly, he uses Linux for an OS - he said I might try a non-Epson driver, something called GutenPrint ... or print directly from QTR.
But a fresh install of the Epson driver might work, too, I'll try that first.
The folks at MIS were very helpful today, I praised them in my last message. Just want to underscore that.
Paul
2013-12-14 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Well, re-installing the driver didn't work. There were two drivers on the Epson driver site, one was the driver alone and one had extras like Print CD and so on... I chose the driver alone. I don't suppose there was anything in that larger suite of programs that I needed.
My off-group correspondent suggests I might be able to get the carts recognized if I print from QTR instead of the Epson driver. There are some features in the Epson driver I'd miss however, like ink-level, head cleaning, etc.
My other option is use my Cone carts. Or call Epson and ask for a return. Right now their refurb page doesn't show any 1400's (I was surprised to find one, just a few months ago) but they do show refurbed 1430s.
2013-12-15 by <homershannon@...>
Paul:
Where are you located? I have a set of empty MIS carts that I was going to use in my 1430 unitl I found out the early 1400 carts won't work in a 1430.They are drained and dry and I don't mind paying the small flat-rate shipping charge to send them to you in the USA. You could at least put them in your 1400 and see if it recognizes them.
Homer Shannon
2013-12-15 by Lutsky, Berel
Been using a 1400 with Cone Carts for the past 4 years, no problems, just switched to their new product - Easy Fill - Keys and capsules for the 1400 - works great and lets you quickly change inksets -That said - getting unrecognized carts recognized some times needs the following procedure: - steps must be performed in order - push the "ink" button, wait for printhead to move into position, remove all of the carts, unplug the printer - unplug the usb or firewire connection, let the printer sit for a minimum of 30 minutes - reset the chips if need be (depends on whether they are ARC or not), replace the carts, plug the printer back in, wait for the printhead to move back to ready, ink light should go out, plug in the connection to the computer and assuming, the chips on the carts are good, carts should be recognized.
Berel Lutsky
Associate Professor of Art
UW Manitowoc
Office: 920 683 4735
"If education is merely a "commodity" that enables individuals to tailor their learning so they can earn more, disastrous results should not surprise us. From a letter in the Chronicle of Higher Education <http://chronicle.com/article/So-Youve-Got-Technology-You/131861/> James C. Pakala, Library Director,Covenant Theological Seminary,St. Louis, Mo.
2013-12-15 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Thanks, Berel, I just started that procedure... tune in half an hour from now! Interesting, the people at MIS told me a very similar procedure... but they said 30 _seconds_! I ran across another conversation on this and there I was told 30 minutes. So I've done 30 minutes before and it didn't help. However, your tip included something else that no one else said and that was to unplug the USB cord as well. That makes sense, thanks for that refinement.
Thanks for the good news on Cone carts... I haven't tried them yet, but I'll first give my MIS carts another try with your procedure.
Manitowoc! I have friends teaching at River Falls and also Menomonie... and I lived in Madison about 11 years. I miss Wisconsin, have a Leinies for me
Paul
2013-12-15 by <paulmwhiting@...>
That's very kind of you Homer... I'm in Billings, Montana - where are you? I'll give you my street address later. I'll probably take you up on that but I'd be happy to pay postage... you shouldn't have to do that.
Let's wait just a bit, and let's first see how that procedure suggested by another member works.
Thanks again,
Paul
2013-12-15 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Berel,
Alas, that procedure didn't work either. It sat for over half an hour, and at the point where the printhead moved back to ready, the (steady) red light came on. Plugged in the USB cable, and printer's cartridge graphic showed each cart with a big X through it.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Regards,
Paul
2013-12-15 by a3rm
Hi Paul,
Apart from trying somebody else's cartridges that are
known to work. It would be good to try your cartridges (the ones that
are not recognized by your 1400) in somebody else's 1400 which is
known to work.
If I can be of any help please email me privately for my
address. I live in Central Michigan.
I have used a CIS with no problems for the past several
years. I believe I also have some cartridges which I think I bought
from MIS which I could send you to try out (I would check them again in
my 1400 before sending them).
Good luck,
Alex Murray
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Well, thanks for that kind offer, Alex. Everybody's been pitching in with good ideas! Unfortunately I don't know anyone with a 1400. I'm in central Montana and people are scarce much less 1400 printer owners! The company did ask me to mail them back and they would test these on their computers. The company, MIS, is in Auburn Hills, is that near you? Anyway, they apparently have sold hundreds of these inksets with no trouble. Did I mention my 1400 is a refurb? MIS thinks that might be the problem, although I've never had trouble with refurbs before, in fact some claim they're better because they're carefully gone over so they don't have to see the device come back through their doors again!
And thanks for offer of the carts, someone else made a similar offer... I think what I'll do next is try the Cone carts and proceed from there.
Regards,
Paul
2013-12-16 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Well, good news... the Cone carts worked fine, flawlessly! I filled them up with Paul's simplified C-6 set up, and used the Epson driver. The first nozzle check I'd give about a 95%, did the maximum allowed three head cleanings, and after the third one I got a 100% nozzle check. The carts were recognized right away, and the Epson driver graphic showed all six carts as full.
Ran a test print, was a little disappointed but I'm sure it's because I chose an Epson Matt paper and I was using Premier Art FineArt. It was rather flat, poor DMax. Any suggestions how to improve my print with the Epson driver and non-Epson paper? I'll have to migrate soon to QTR. Got some ink blotches too but I've experienced those before, they usually clear up by themselves. The main thing is the Cone carts were recognized right away. They fit the slots more easily, too.
I mailed my MIS carts back, at their request, and they're going to test them in their 1400.
What a relief, thanks everyone for all your suggestions and moral support.
Paul
2013-12-16 by Paul Roark
2013-12-16 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Paul,
I'll be sure and let you know what they say. I was happy for me but sad for MIS... I know we all want them to succeed. One thing I like about the MIS set is that you can order individual carts, whereas with Cone carts it's the whole set you have to buy if you only need one.
I have your Eboni-6 pdf, will study it again. The screen shot shows Win 7 and CS4, whereas I'm still in XP and a humble version of Elements so I couldn't quite replicate that screen shot. But in the meantime I went to my QTR and pulled down the paper choices, and there was my Premier Art FineArt 205. I'd forgotten that many of your profiles are included in QTR. Got a very nice test print first try. I see what you mean about this setup having smoother light tones, as against the R1800/3MK. This profile had "BO" in the name. Does this mean I'm printing only with the K cart and none of the other five? I looked at a 21 step scale in a test print the next to last frame was indistinguishable from the very last frame (black). However there was clear delineation of all the steps at the lighter end, which speak for good highlight detail.
I may have that zip file you're referring to... when your ISP is cooperating again, I'd appreciate that link - thank you! Sure am happy to have a working 1400, you've spoken so highly of it the past few years.
Stay tuned,
Paul
2013-12-16 by Paul Roark
2013-12-17 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Turns out I do have the zip file... I've unpacked it and am studying it. I'll be away from the computer for the next 24 hours plus, going down to Wyoming. I think I'll bring along my docs for QTR and do some studying in the car. I went a little crazy a while back, Atlex had a sale on Premier Art FineArt Smooth 205 and I've got 5 boxes @ 100 sheets! Now, I'm wondering if that was wise, I should try their 325 and also the Epson Hot Press Natural.
I looked at the profiles in that zip file and didn't see any for the 205 that use all six carts... perhaps I missed it. One of the reasons that my non-firing carts in the 1800 developed clogs was that the only time they were firing was during a nozzle check so I don't want that to happen again.
My MIS carts should arrive at their office on Thursday... I suppose I'll have to tell them at some point that the Cone carts worked... wonder how they'll take that.
Paul
2013-12-23 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Homer,
I'd like to take you up on your offer... although I have some working Inkjet Mall carts, I'd like to see if MIS carts can work. Maybe I just had a bad batch but I'd like to narrow this down. I'd prefer using off-group e-mail, do you know how to do that? I don't, I've been searching the options here but can't figure that out.
Thanks for your offer... and let me pay postage via PayPal!
Paul
2013-12-30 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Been a while, I hope we can reconstruct the conversation here! Here's an extract from your last message to me, #35.
Paul W: I looked at a 21 step scale in a test print the next to last frame was
indistinguishable from the very last frame (black). However there was
clear delineation of all the steps at the lighter end, which speak for
good highlight detail.
Paul R: You
may need to check the dmax point -- K ink limit. You might notice that
I have a curve in the Zip file (if not in QTR) called "K-0-100." This
is a straight line curve that will test for the K ink limit with a
21-step test file without the need to waste an entire sheet of paper (as
when Calibration mode is used just to see the K results). "If you're
lucky the profile may have used a boost." If so, try putting in the new
dmax there and re-saving the file. It might print well with no other
changed needed.
Actually, what was in the zip file was K-0-40. I created the quad curve and printed the 21-step test file but its last several dark steps were all black. Then I created a quad file for K-0-100 and it was worse. So I went the other direction and created a K-0-20 quad file and this was better. So now do I back back to my 6 position file you created for me (PA 205) and lessen the black density? I think I know how to do that.
Also, in the quote above, I wonder if you would elaborate on the sentence I have in quotes there... thanks!
Best regards,
Paul
2013-12-30 by Paul Roark
Paul,
My PA205 profile has an ink limit of 40 and a boost to 50. So, if your K-0-40 hit the dmax before the end, you'll have to make a new profile. I don't know why we'd be getting such different dmax points. Be sure you're measuring with at least a scanner -- not just eyeballing the dark end.
You might want to try taking my profile and just removing the boost, leaving the dmax at 40 and see how it prints. If, when you measure the relative densities, there is really no difference between 95% and 100%, you'll have to move the dmax down, clear the linearization tab values, and relinearize the profile with whatever new dmax value you've found. The "densities" in the profile will also be affected, but you may get lucky and not have to deal with them. You might, however, need to start over. If our printers are not behaving the same, there isn't much I can do on my printer to help. (And, of course, it leads one to wonder why they are behaving differently.)
Paul
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:16 PM,
<paulmwhiting@yahoo.com> wrote:
Been a while, I hope we can reconstruct the conversation here! Here's an extract from your last message to me, #35.
Paul W: I looked at a 21 step scale in a test print the next to last frame was
indistinguishable from the very last frame (black). However there was
clear delineation of all the steps at the lighter end, which speak for
good highlight detail.
Paul R: You
may need to check the dmax point -- K ink limit. You might notice that
I have a curve in the Zip file (if not in QTR) called "K-0-100." This
is a straight line curve that will test for the K ink limit with a
21-step test file without the need to waste an entire sheet of paper (as
when Calibration mode is used just to see the K results). "If you're
lucky the profile may have used a boost." If so, try putting in the new
dmax there and re-saving the file. It might print well with no other
changed needed.
Actually, what was in the zip file was K-0-40. I created the quad curve and printed the 21-step test file but its last several dark steps were all black. Then I created a quad file for K-0-100 and it was worse. So I went the other direction and created a K-0-20 quad file and this was better. So now do I back back to my 6 position file you created for me (PA 205) and lessen the black density? I think I know how to do that.
Also, in the quote above, I wonder if you would elaborate on the sentence I have in quotes there... thanks!
Best regards,
Paul
2013-12-31 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Paul,
I do have two versions of K-0-40 one with and one without the Black Boost... both show Dmax for several steps on the black end of the step file. As for creating a new profile, at this point that's over my head. I'm really sorry Paul, but I need a better understanding of BlackPrinting 101. When I had the R1800 it was within my grasp but now I'm in deep water.
I've been studying the User Guide by Tom Moore and also the Quadtone Rip by Diallo.
In the meantime, I have a question about the profile you sent me a while back. I had expressed some concern that the .qidf for PA 205 used only one cart firing, the rest remaining idle. My concern was that idle carts in the R1800 is what led to clogs. So you sent me a new profile which including firing the five remaining carts, it was called Eb6-PA-205.qidf. But when I printed with that profile I got a rather pronounced Sabbattier, or solarization effect on a file I've never had trouble with, even with the R1800.
I'm not expecting an answer on New Year's Eve.... take a break!
Happy New Year,
Paul
Paul
---In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <roark.paul@...> wrote:
Paul,
My PA205 profile has an ink limit of 40 and a boost to 50. So, if your K-0-40 hit the dmax before the end, you'll have to make a new profile. I don't know why we'd be getting such different dmax points. Be sure you're measuring with at least a scanner -- not just eyeballing the dark end.
You might want to try taking my profile and just removing the boost, leaving the dmax at 40 and see how it prints. If, when you measure the relative densities, there is really no difference between 95% and 100%, you'll have to move the dmax down, clear the linearization tab values, and relinearize the profile with whatever new dmax value you've found. The "densities" in the profile will also be affected, but you may get lucky and not have to deal with them. You might, however, need to start over. If our printers are not behaving the same, there isn't much I can do on my printer to help. (And, of course, it leads one to wonder why they are behaving differently.)
Paul
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:16 PM,
<paulmwhiting@...> wrote:
Been a while, I hope we can reconstruct the conversation here! Here's an extract from your last message to me, #35.
Paul W: I looked at a 21 step scale in a test print the next to last frame was
indistinguishable from the very last frame (black). However there was
clear delineation of all the steps at the lighter end, which speak for
good highlight detail.
Paul R: You
may need to check the dmax point -- K ink limit. You might notice that
I have a curve in the Zip file (if not in QTR) called "K-0-100." This
is a straight line curve that will test for the K ink limit with a
21-step test file without the need to waste an entire sheet of paper (as
when Calibration mode is used just to see the K results). "If you're
lucky the profile may have used a boost." If so, try putting in the new
dmax there and re-saving the file. It might print well with no other
changed needed.
Actually, what was in the zip file was K-0-40. I created the quad curve and printed the 21-step test file but its last several dark steps were all black. Then I created a quad file for K-0-100 and it was worse. So I went the other direction and created a K-0-20 quad file and this was better. So now do I back back to my 6 position file you created for me (PA 205) and lessen the black density? I think I know how to do that.
Also, in the quote above, I wonder if you would elaborate on the sentence I have in quotes there... thanks!
Best regards,
Paul
2014-01-01 by Paul Roark
2014-01-01 by <paulmwhiting@...>
PW: I do have two versions of K-0-40 one with and one without the Black Boost...
PR: There
should not be a black boost in the K-0-40 curve.
PW: I've deleted the one with Black Boost. I made that one when I didn't know what I was doing.
PW: both show Dmax for several steps on the black end of the step file.
PR: I
don't know why your 1400 with Eboni MK would hit its dmax on PA 205 at
such a low level.
PW: You'll recall that my initial problem was getting my MIS carts to be recognized by my 1400. (I returned them but haven't heard back from MIS yet - and after all it is the holidays.) When the Cone carts arrived I was eager to test for recognition so I loaded them the simplest way possible, and used your PDF "Easy Mixing & Setup for Carbon-6". Do you suppose that's the cause of my DMax and solarization troubles? I'll mix up the full-blown version of Carbon 6 and use that from now on.
PW: Of course the original set of MIS carts have Eboni-6 installed, I thought it best to get the factory mix of inks first. I am using the Epson driver, btw, not QTR just yet. And a nozzle check shows all jet firing. I sure hope it's not a defective printer...
Happy New Year to you!
Paul
2014-01-02 by <paulmwhiting@...>
Paul,
PS: As you suggested, I'm going to use my scanner to read the greyscale steps instead of eyeballing it.May take me a while to figure it all out.
When I hear from MIS if my carts are recognized by their 1400 I'll let you know. By the way, another member of this group kindly sent me a set of MIS carts - the version number on his cartridge chips was 6.0 whereas mine were 6.3. And his carts were recognized right away! So I think it's safe to conclude my refurb 1400 is ok since both the Inkjet Mall carts and the older version MIS carts were recognized.
Paul
Regards,
Paul