Digital BW, The Print

Scott, Perhaps you didn't notice, This is a BLACK AND WHITE GROUP! 
Way to much JUNK on your site, Some decent color photos, but we are assaulted 
with Animation! Sorry, but I hated it, and saw very little of interest to a 
black and white group such as this. I suggest you separate your religion from 
your photography.
"Christian photos"? give everybody a break for Gods sake! I consider this 
site  SPAM! 
Steve Meyers (honest Devil!)

In a message dated 03/08/2002 6:05:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
workersforgod@... writes:


> Hello Friends, sorry for any troubles you may have had getting on to 
> Scott's Creative Photos Web Site.   I added more Bandwidth to the 
> site and now there should not be any trouble now.  If there any 
> trouble let know.   So please check it out.
> http://scphotos.tripod.com
> Email
> workersforgod@... 
> 
> Thanks Scott
> 




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Steve,

Thanks. I have been wondering what to do with this guy. It is not commercial
but he definitely has an agenda from his e-mail address on! I am relieved he
doesn't have much B&W on his site! This should be interesting. (Or not!)

Martin (The Heathen Humanist Group Moderator)

----- Original Message -----
From: <sdmey4@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Attention Friends


> Scott, Perhaps you didn't notice, This is a BLACK AND WHITE GROUP!
> Way to much JUNK on your site, Some decent color photos, but we are
assaulted
> with Animation! Sorry, but I hated it, and saw very little of interest to
a
> black and white group such as this. I suggest you separate your religion
from
> your photography.
> "Christian photos"? give everybody a break for Gods sake! I consider this
> site  SPAM!
> Steve Meyers (honest Devil!)
>
> In a message dated 03/08/2002 6:05:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> workersforgod@... writes:
>
>
> > Hello Friends, sorry for any troubles you may have had getting on to
> > Scott's Creative Photos Web Site.   I added more Bandwidth to the
> > site and now there should not be any trouble now.  If there any
> > trouble let know.   So please check it out.
> > http://scphotos.tripod.com
> > Email
> > workersforgod@...
> >
> > Thanks Scott
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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The IMAGEPRINT 4 RIP.  .....

How much does this puppy cost?  No $$ info on the site...for the mac version.
-- 

b i l l  a g e e  s t u d i o
c a p i s t r a n o  b e a c h  c a l i f o r n i a

billagee@...
http://www.redsilver.com
http://www.billageestudio.com

From my understanding it about $2000 for the Epson 7000 version.

Bruce McElhaney
McElhaney Portrait Studio
Livonia, MI


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Bill Agee <billagee@r...> 
wrote:
> The IMAGEPRINT 4 RIP.  .....
> 
> How much does this puppy cost?  No $$ info on the site...for the 
mac version.

> -- 
> 
> b i l l  a g e e  s t u d i o
> c a p i s t r a n o  b e a c h  c a l i f o r n i a
> 
> billagee@r...
> http://www.redsilver.com
> http://www.billageestudio.com

This guy again?!??
When does he qualify for a BOOT? 

--- workersforgod <workersforgod@...> wrote:
> Hello Friends, Just wanting to let you know that I
> have even more 
> Animal & Nature Photos to Scott's Creative Photos.  
> If you would 
> check them out, Also check out my MSN Communtiy,
> Please Join and 
> Share you thoughts or Photos with all of us.
> 
> Scott's Creative Photos
> http://scphotos.tripod.com
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> http://communities.msn.com/ScottsCreativePhotos
> Let me know what you think.
> workersforgod@... 
> 
> Thanks Scott
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Daniel "Pérez" <tronicart@y...> 
wrote:
> This guy again?!??
> When does he qualify for a BOOT? 


Right about NOW!

Antonis

Guys you are pissing against the wrong tree again.  His website has some
nice pictures and he is not a spammer, since nothing is for sale.  His
cover gator is award winning IMO.
 
TigerShark

-----Original Message-----
From: antonisphoto [mailto:antonisphoto@...] 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Attention Friends
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Daniel "Pérez"
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wrote:
> This guy again?!??
> When does he qualify for a BOOT? 


Right about NOW!

Antonis





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Well Tiger ;)

This is a B&W group...
He could talk to us here instead of ask us to go elsewhere...
More than one post repeating the same information, then rephrasing it as if
he'd been asked loads of times about his site is 'devious' (he wasn't asked
ON this list that I ever saw).

I'm sure the poster would not have meant to cause offence, but it appeared
to me that he posted without consideration to the subject of this group, and
without general participation with us. Just my 2p.

Be nice to each other ;)

Best regards,
nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TigerShark [mailto:sunnyd@...]
> Sent: 15 March 2002 02:51
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Attention Friends
>
>
> Guys you are pissing against the wrong tree again.  His website has some
> nice pictures and he is not a spammer, since nothing is for sale.  His
> cover gator is award winning IMO.
>
> TigerShark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nij" <nigel@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:04 AM

> without general participation with us. Just my 2p.

2 cents worth old boy, do remember who is on here (:-)

Unlike some subscribers, the sub-text re religion in Scott's posts 
doesn't rub me the wrong way, but what seems like self-promotion 
unaccompanied by any interest in the list's concerns makes me think 
his posts should be screened if not simply shortstopped.

Sam McCandless             samcc@...

>Hello Friends, Just wanting to let you know that I have even more
>Animal & Nature Photos to Scott's Creative Photos.   If you would
>check them out, Also check out my MSN Communtiy, Please Join and
>Share you thoughts or Photos with all of us.
>
>Scott's Creative Photos
>http://scphotos.tripod.com
>MSN Community
>http://communities.msn.com/ScottsCreativePhotos
>Let me know what you think.
>workersforgod@...
>
>Thanks Scott

It was so slow I lost patience with it, but I didn't see any B & W 
before I did.

Sam McCandless        samcc@...

>Guys you are pissing against the wrong tree again.  His website has some
>nice pictures and he is not a spammer, since nothing is for sale.  His
>cover gator is award winning IMO.
>
>TigerShark

Without sounding harsh to the link poster, I agree with Sam, Nij,
Dickbo, and others who complained about his form of "spam," and I am
withdrawing my support for him.
 
Just dissing this guy sounded wrong to me at first, but he really does
not have any real B&W work on his site (except for a few restorations).
More importantly, he does not seem to be into "B&W Prints" and does not
participate in discussion on this list. 
 
Reviewing general habits on many lists, I have come to the conclusion
that only active participants on a list deserve the right to post their
links, and only when their work is on topic.  
 
Last week we had a few incidents with spammers and I just could not come
up with a general rule that would be fair to all until now.  I recommend
list owners to review this idea.  I will certainly implement it on my
lists.
 
TigerShark

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam A. McCandless [mailto:samcc@...] 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:41 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Attention Friends
 
Unlike some subscribers, the sub-text re religion in Scott's posts 
doesn't rub me the wrong way, but what seems like self-promotion 
unaccompanied by any interest in the list's concerns makes me think 
his posts should be screened if not simply shortstopped.

Sam McCandless             samcc@...


>Hello Friends, Just wanting to let you know that I have even more
>Animal & Nature Photos to Scott's Creative Photos.   If you would
>check them out, Also check out my MSN Communtiy, Please Join and
>Share you thoughts or Photos with all of us.
>
>Scott's Creative Photos
>http://scphotos.tripod.com
>MSN Community
>http://communities.msn.com/ScottsCreativePhotos
>Let me know what you think.
>workersforgod@...
>
>Thanks Scott





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On 3/15/02 9:24 AM, "TigerShark" <sunnyd@...> wrote:

> Reviewing general habits on many lists, I have come to the conclusion
> that only active participants on a list deserve the right to post their
> links, and only when their work is on topic.


My link is part of my signature and I don't post too often but I would be
seriously pissed off if someone told me I couldn't include it because I
didn't 'participate' enough.  I do lots of digital B&W work but my site
actually has more color images.  I don't have a gallery dedicated to B&W
because it does not really fit my organizational structure.  So, under your
'rule', I might fall into a grey area...   Typical of how my life goes most
of the time ;-)

Lawrence

----------------------------------
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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
----------------------------------

Good Morning,

I think this policy sounds very fair.

While I personally have no problem with his posting the web site the first
time, I do feel posting it again this soon may be overdoing it since it does
seem to be off topic as far as digital B&W prints are concerned.

Sincerely,

John in OKC

----- Original Message -----
From: "TigerShark" <sunnyd@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Attention Friends


| Without sounding harsh to the link poster, I agree with Sam, Nij,
| Dickbo, and others who complained about his form of "spam," and I am
| withdrawing my support for him.
|
| Just dissing this guy sounded wrong to me at first, but he really does
| not have any real B&W work on his site (except for a few restorations).
| More importantly, he does not seem to be into "B&W Prints" and does not
| participate in discussion on this list.
|
| Reviewing general habits on many lists, I have come to the conclusion
| that only active participants on a list deserve the right to post their
| links, and only when their work is on topic.
|
| Last week we had a few incidents with spammers and I just could not come
| up with a general rule that would be fair to all until now.  I recommend
| list owners to review this idea.  I will certainly implement it on my
| lists.
|
| TigerShark
<SNIP>

Lawrence, I was not talking about your signature line.  Just by posting
comments, like you just did, you participate and that signature is part
of it.
 
I was referring to the loose canons that come out of  the blue and post
links like:  "Look at my site and give me feedback .."   Yet, you never
heard of them before and you never see or hear a thing afterward.  Those
posters do not deserve our time.  Exceptions could be made.
 
Also the amount of participation is irrelevant, but the quality counts
:-)
 
For all your information, I own the 2000P list and welcome anyone
interested, or who has a 2000P.
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Epson2000P
 
TigerShark

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Smith [mailto:lsmith@...] 
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:38 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Attention Friends
 
On 3/15/02 9:24 AM, "TigerShark" <sunnyd@...> wrote:

> Reviewing general habits on many lists, I have come to the conclusion
> that only active participants on a list deserve the right to post
their
> links, and only when their work is on topic.


My link is part of my signature and I don't post too often but I would
be
seriously pissed off if someone told me I couldn't include it because I
didn't 'participate' enough.  I do lots of digital B&W work but my site
actually has more color images.  I don't have a gallery dedicated to B&W
because it does not really fit my organizational structure.  So, under
your
'rule', I might fall into a grey area...   Typical of how my life goes
most
of the time ;-)

Lawrence

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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
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On 3/15/02 10:02 AM, "TigerShark" <sunnyd@...> wrote:

> Lawrence, I was not talking about your signature line.  Just by posting
> comments, like you just did, you participate and that signature is part
> of it.



I get it now!

Lawrence
----------------------------------
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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
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and that IS about the best photo I've ever seen of a 'Gator. He actually looks happy!

Jer

Nij wrote:

> Well Tiger ;)
>
> This is a B&W group...
> He could talk to us here instead of ask us to go elsewhere...
> More than one post repeating the same information, then rephrasing it as if
> he'd been asked loads of times about his site is 'devious' (he wasn't asked
> ON this list that I ever saw).
>
> I'm sure the poster would not have meant to cause offence, but it appeared
> to me that he posted without consideration to the subject of this group, and
> without general participation with us. Just my 2p.
>
> Be nice to each other ;)
>
> Best regards,
> nij
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TigerShark [mailto:sunnyd@...]
> > Sent: 15 March 2002 02:51
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Attention Friends
> >
> >
> > Guys you are pissing against the wrong tree again.  His website has some
> > nice pictures and he is not a spammer, since nothing is for sale.  His
> > cover gator is award winning IMO.
> >
> > TigerShark
>
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TigerShark,

thanks for the suggestion. I totally agree with your final assessment of this 
particular post (the "Attention Friends" ) and I am glad that it seems to be the 
consensus rather than something I decreed from "above".

I think there is plenty of common sense in the membership here to understand 
when off topic is OK and when it's not. This list has been self-regulating since 
we launched it last summer. The inevitable spams have been few and quickly 
removed. And by the way, if you see one, please let me or Martin know off list, 
since I am not able to read everything every day.

Antonis Ricos
<list co-moderator>



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TigerShark" <sunnyd@p...> wrote:

> Last week we had a few incidents with spammers and I just could not come
> up with a general rule that would be fair to all until now.  I recommend
> list owners to review this idea.  I will certainly implement it on my
> lists.
>  
> TigerShark

Lawrence,

Personally I'm pleased that you post your web link, your work is 
outstanding. You add valuable insight to me, as a serious amateur, 
with respect to your comments and your photography. I joined this 
list to explore options and gain insight; to learn more from people 
who are experts in the craft of BW photography and inkjet 
printmaking. (I use piezo s/w and inks now, beautiful prints, lots of 
clogs!) Even though you may not post often, you'd be surprised at who 
is paying attention. I definately consider you to be "on 
topic". "Attention Friends" just seems to want some attention. I've 
seen him on other lists with the same message. 

Barry Gilliand
> 
> My link is part of my signature and I don't post too often but I 
would be
> seriously pissed off if someone told me I couldn't include it 
because I
> didn't 'participate' enough.  I do lots of digital B&W work but my 
site
> actually has more color images.  I don't have a gallery dedicated 
to B&W
> because it does not really fit my organizational structure.  So, 
under your
> 'rule', I might fall into a grey area...   Typical of how my life 
goes most

> of the time ;-)
> 
> Lawrence
> 
> ----------------------------------
> Lawrence W. Smith Photography
> http://www.lwsphoto.com
> lsmith@l...
> ----------------------------------