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Ways to get warm prints with EB6 ink

Ways to get warm prints with EB6 ink

2014-05-24 by agavemail@...

I just started using the Eboni-6 inkset from MIS with QTR with matte papers on my 1430. I read somewhere that with the Eb6 inks, toning can only be accomplished on matte paper by paper choice (lab B). Do I have this right?

I have 2 papers I am testing. Epson Hot Press Natural gives me just about a neutral carbon while Canson Rag Photographique appears a bit warmer (eyeballing it). Is it possible for me to swap another ink or 2 in the M and LM carts (maybe) to get a warm up the Hot Press print?

I am not a high volume printer. Just a few prints a week.

Thanks,

Ron

Re: [Digital BW] Ways to get warm prints with EB6 ink

2014-05-26 by Paul Roark

UT14 M and LM are MIS glossy carbons that work also on matte paper. They are a warmer carbon than Eboni. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf

They are darker than the Eb6 M and LM, so the profiles will need to be adjusted. (For the same-density inks, you'd need MIS K4-LK and LLK.) The prints may look good with just the Epson driver.

The cart chips may need to be of the same generation. Hopefully they would be, but it might be worth mentioning that to MIS when you purchase the carts.

I hope this gets you the print tone you're looking for.

Paul
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On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 9:53 AM, agavemail@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I just started using the Eboni-6 inkset from MIS with QTR with matte papers on my 1430. I read somewhere that with the Eb6 inks, toning can only be accomplished on matte paper by paper choice (lab B). Do I have this right?

I have 2 papers I am testing. Epson Hot Press Natural gives me just about a neutral carbon while Canson Rag Photographique appears a bit warmer (eyeballing it). Is it possible for me to swap another ink or 2 in the M and LM carts (maybe) to get a warm up the Hot Press print?

I am not a high volume printer. Just a few prints a week.

Thanks,

Ron


Re: [Digital BW] Ways to get warm prints with EB6 ink

2014-05-26 by Sylvain M.

A good way to change tones is to change paper, indeed. Hahnemühle
PhotoRag gives very nice warm tones, for example. For even warmer
pictures, you can choose H. Bamboo. An the other side, Epson Hot Press
Bright gives cool tones. I can provide you my softproofing profiles for
those 4 papers to get a comparison on your monitor: I'm using a specific
Eb5 configuration, but it will be very similar to Eb6. 

my2c 

Sylvain M.

Le 2014-05-26 02:58, Paul Roark roark.paul@...
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] a écrit : 

> UT14 M and LM are MIS glossy carbons that work also on matte paper. They are a warmer carbon than Eboni. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/UT14.pdf [1] 
> 
> They are darker than the Eb6 M and LM, so the profiles will need to be adjusted. (For the same-density inks, you'd need MIS K4-LK and LLK.) The prints may look good with just the Epson driver. 
> 
> The cart chips may need to be of the same generation. Hopefully they would be, but it might be worth mentioning that to MIS when you purchase the carts. 
> 
> I hope this gets you the print tone you're looking for. 
> 
> Paul 
> www.PaulRoark.com [2] 
> 
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 9:53 AM, agavemail@yahoo.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just started using the Eboni-6 inkset from MIS with QTR with matte papers on my 1430. I read somewhere that with the Eb6 inks, toning can only be accomplished on matte paper by paper choice (lab B). Do I have this right? 
>> 
>> I have 2 papers I am testing. Epson Hot Press Natural gives me just about a neutral carbon while Canson Rag Photographique appears a bit warmer (eyeballing it). Is it possible for me to swap another ink or 2 in the M and LM carts (maybe) to get a warm up the Hot Press print? 
>> 
>> I am not a high volume printer. Just a few prints a week. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Ron 
>> 
>> 
 

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Re: [Digital BW] Ways to get warm prints with EB6 ink

2014-05-26 by Paul Roark

Sylvain M. wrote:
A good way to change tones is to change paper, indeed. Hahnemühle

PhotoRag gives very nice warm tones, for example.


I agree.

For even warmer pictures, you can choose H. Bamboo.

Does Hahnemuhle still make this paper?

Actually, what I found is that while the paper has a warm base, the base to maximum lab B values with Eboni-6 appeared rather low, making the overall print look rather neutral if it were displayed away from a bright white reference. That is, while the absolute maximum warmth of the image may be slightly higher with the Bamboo, when the image is displayed on the wall, with a mat board that is not too bright, the eye will, in effect, do a "white balance" on whatever is in view. As such, the maximum Lab B value relative to the paper white becomes an important variable in how we perceive the print tone warmth. As such, the Photo Rag Eboni-6 image will probably look warmer than the Bamboo image if they are displayed on the wall away from a bright white reference.

Paul

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