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B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?

B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?

2002-03-10 by visionone

I know that most of the discussion on this forum is about third 
party inks and papers.  I was wondering, what is the quality of 
black and white printing using an Epson 1280, standard Epson inks 
and Epson/3rd party papers?

If I don't need 100+ years of longevity, does this combo provide 
reasonable results?  WHat about the quality/flexibility using Duo, 
Tri or Quad tone profiles?

I am trying to figure our whether the standard Epson 1280 will do 
the trick because the cost of an 1160 or 1200 is sky high on Ebay vs 
a new 1280.  This is only a hobby for me. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance,

Ted

AW: [Digital BW] B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?

2002-03-10 by Andreas Wistuba

Hi Ted,

First I tried a lot around with my 1290 (= 1280) with Epson inks anly to
learn the hard and expensive way, that no matter how perfect the profile
is, you always have colorcasts in one or the other direction on
different areas of the greyscale. Had I immediately invested in a black
and white printer, this certainly would have been cheaper as I spent
tons of paper and ink experimenting. Than I bought a used 1200 and the
piezo driver. The results with piezography BW were just phantastic but I
spent at least 1/2 of my inks for cleaning cycles... A final attempt to
switching to cheaper inks (Lyson) completely clogged my 1200 and I gave
up quite frustrated. 
After having read a lot here about the MIS full spectrum inks I decided
to try again and bought an 1160. The result using the MIS inks with the
piezo driver are just great and there are almost zero clogging problems.
I think Piezography should think about their ink formulations as the MIS
ones are so much better in terms of clogging!
Anyway, better save your money and finally invest into a separate BW
printer instead of wasting money trying to print BW with your 1280 using
epson inks. You will most likely never be really happy with the results.

Bye

Andreas

P.S. Meanwhile my 1200 is fixed and I might give the variable toned MIS
inks a try...

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: visionone [mailto:ted@...] 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. März 2002 18:40
An: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Digital BW] B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?


I know that most of the discussion on this forum is about third 
party inks and papers.  I was wondering, what is the quality of 
black and white printing using an Epson 1280, standard Epson inks 
and Epson/3rd party papers?

If I don't need 100+ years of longevity, does this combo provide 
reasonable results?  WHat about the quality/flexibility using Duo, 
Tri or Quad tone profiles?

I am trying to figure our whether the standard Epson 1280 will do 
the trick because the cost of an 1160 or 1200 is sky high on Ebay vs 
a new 1280.  This is only a hobby for me. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance,

Ted



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Re: AW: [Digital BW] B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?

2002-03-11 by Jerry Olson

I bought a profile for the MIS Archival and Generations Archival inks from CD Tobie. It is possible to get VERY good black and white prints
using these color inks for black and white printing with his profiles. It takes only a 3 point red enhancement in the epson slider to get a
perfectly neutral print with no color crossovers. This is on an 1160 printer. But I still think a dedicated black and white printer is the
way to go. Sooner or later, one of those 6 colors is going to begin to fade, and when it does, your print will have a color cast shift.

Jerry

Andreas Wistuba wrote:
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> Hi Ted,
>
> First I tried a lot around with my 1290 (= 1280) with Epson inks anly to
> learn the hard and expensive way, that no matter how perfect the profile
> is, you always have colorcasts in one or the other direction on
> different areas of the greyscale. Had I immediately invested in a black
> and white printer, this certainly would have been cheaper as I spent
> tons of paper and ink experimenting. Than I bought a used 1200 and the
> piezo driver. The results with piezography BW were just phantastic but I
> spent at least 1/2 of my inks for cleaning cycles... A final attempt to
> switching to cheaper inks (Lyson) completely clogged my 1200 and I gave
> up quite frustrated.
> After having read a lot here about the MIS full spectrum inks I decided
> to try again and bought an 1160. The result using the MIS inks with the
> piezo driver are just great and there are almost zero clogging problems.
> I think Piezography should think about their ink formulations as the MIS
> ones are so much better in terms of clogging!
> Anyway, better save your money and finally invest into a separate BW
> printer instead of wasting money trying to print BW with your 1280 using
> epson inks. You will most likely never be really happy with the results.
>
> Bye
>
> Andreas
>
> P.S. Meanwhile my 1200 is fixed and I might give the variable toned MIS
> inks a try...
>
> -----Urspr\ufffdngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: visionone [mailto:ted@...]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. M\ufffdrz 2002 18:40
> An: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Digital BW] B&W Printing on 1280 with Standard Epson Ink?
>
> I know that most of the discussion on this forum is about third
> party inks and papers.  I was wondering, what is the quality of
> black and white printing using an Epson 1280, standard Epson inks
> and Epson/3rd party papers?
>
> If I don't need 100+ years of longevity, does this combo provide
> reasonable results?  WHat about the quality/flexibility using Duo,
> Tri or Quad tone profiles?
>
> I am trying to figure our whether the standard Epson 1280 will do
> the trick because the cost of an 1160 or 1200 is sky high on Ebay vs
> a new 1280.  This is only a hobby for me. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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>
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>
>
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>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
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