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2015-09-14 by daniel andron
Hello from France, I bought hp 500 for 1 $. But i print always B/W on matt paper. Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y). Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l. Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l. Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ? Thank
2015-09-14 by Paul Roark
Hello from France,
I bought hp 500 for 1 $.
But i print always B/W on matt paper.
Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y).
Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l.
Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l.
Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ?
Thank
2015-09-14 by Ernst Dinkla
Hello from France,
I bought hp 500 for 1 $.
But i print always B/W on matt paper.
Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y).
Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l.
Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l.
Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ?
Thank
2015-09-15 by daniel andron
Merci Paul et Ernst, I try purchasing 4 empty cartridges HP10 and HP82. Vivera light gray on cyan Magenta and yellow on dilution with kodak optimizer. I'll post the results after testing .. Thank you. Le 14/09/2015 17:57, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] a �crit :
> Daniel, > > > http://www.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00748239.pdf > says 18 picoliter droplet for the black head, 4 picoliter droplet for > the color nozzles. > > I have used the HP Z3200 Vivera pigment MK (matte black) ink in a > similar 88 black head of the HP K5400 OfficeJet. But 9 picoliter > droplet on the black side, possibly 6 picoliter on yellow. Cyan and > magenta are 6 picoliter. > In the cyan channel of that printer the Z3200 Vivera pigment PK (photo > black), on the magenta channel a 1/3 dilution of the PK, on the yellow > channel a 1/9 dilution of the PK. Tweaked the channels with Photoshop > ACV curves later on packed in an ICC profile together with a > linearisation curve (Paul Roark + Roy to thank for these features). > Matte (4ink), Gloss (3ink). Printing from Qimage Ultimate + Windows > driver. > Ink medium to dilute the PK: > http://www.octopus-office.de/en/shop/details/c/printer-ink-for-kodak-10-c/p/ocp-gloss-optimizer-for-kodak-10-c/ > Both inks and ink medium are intended for the thermal heads that the > mentioned HP models have. > > I have done this experiment on the desktop model to see whether it > would be possible on a 4 to 6 channel Designjet later on. I am quite > convinced it would be possible. Main problem is the bigger droplet > size of Designjets (other than the Z versions and the 130, 90 etc > serie that have droplets 4-6 picoliter). > > > > Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla > > Dinkla Grafische Techniek > Quad, pi�zografie, gicl�e > www.pigment-print.com <http://www.pigment-print.com> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:35 PM, daniel andron > daniel.andron@... <mailto:daniel.andron@...> > [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] > <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > Hello from France, > I bought hp 500 for 1 $. > But i print always B/W on matt paper. > Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y). > Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l. > Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l. > > Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ? > > Thank > > >
2015-09-16 by Ernst Dinkla
Merci Paul et Ernst,
I try purchasing 4 empty cartridges HP10 and HP82.
Vivera light gray on cyan
Magenta and yellow on dilution with kodak optimizer.
I'll post the results after testing ..
Thank you.
Le 14/09/2015 17:57, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@gmail.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] a écrit :
Daniel,
says 18 picoliter droplet for the black head, 4 picoliter droplet for the color nozzles.
I have used the HP Z3200 Vivera pigment MK (matte black) ink in a similar 88 black head of the HP K5400 OfficeJet. But 9 picoliter droplet on the black side, possibly 6 picoliter on yellow. Cyan and magenta are 6 picoliter.In the cyan channel of that printer the Z3200 Vivera pigment PK (photo black), on the magenta channel a 1/3 dilution of the PK, on the yellow channel a 1/9 dilution of the PK. Tweaked the channels with Photoshop ACV curves later on packed in an ICC profile together with a linearisation curve (Paul Roark + Roy to thank for these features). Matte (4ink), Gloss (3ink). Printing from Qimage Ultimate + Windows driver.Ink medium to dilute the PK: http://www.octopus-office.de/en/shop/details/c/printer-ink-for-kodak-10-c/p/ocp-gloss-optimizer-for-kodak-10-c/Both inks and ink medium are intended for the thermal heads that the mentioned HP models have.
I have done this experiment on the desktop model to see whether it would be possible on a 4 to 6 channel Designjet later on. I am quite convinced it would be possible. Main problem is the bigger droplet size of Designjets (other than the Z versions and the 130, 90 etc serie that have droplets 4-6 picoliter).
Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla
Dinkla Grafische Techniek
Quad, piëzografie, giclée
www.pigment-print.com
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:35 PM, daniel andron daniel.andron@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hello from France,
I bought hp 500 for 1 $.
But i print always B/W on matt paper.
Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y).
Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l.
Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l.
Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ?
Thank
2015-09-17 by daniel andron
For Ernst Pending order The goal is MK + Grey + 1/2Grey +1/4 Grey OK for "I could send you a picture of how to do that" a+ Le 16/09/2015 12:53, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] a �crit :
> Daniel, > > I think you could use bigger carts like the 130 ML carts of the Z3200 > series. Replace the caps that hold the chip, it is all quite universal > for HP carts throughout most Designjet models. The HP cartridges can > be adapted for refilling too, the more as they are vertically inserted > on the 500, filling them on the printer is not difficult either then.. > Check Ebay for original HP Nr 70 carts that are expired, a cheap > source and for this purpose good enough. You can even put the ink bag > in an ultrasonic bath to give it a good refreshing mix. > > If you only want to print on matte then a set of Vivera pigment MK + > PK + 1/3PK +1/9PK is still possible, all 4 can be used. The PK then > somewhat too dense for a quad set but if you select the High Quality > Greyscale? mode (that mixes all the CMY channels for all the grey > levels) it is not bad either which can be handy as some applications > will not have Color Management to use curves or profiles. However > better results with driver color mode + color managent + the > appropriate partitioning Photoshop curves/profiles for a given paper > quality. Another set, something like MK + 1/2PK + 1/4PK + 1/12PK (Paul > will have better figures) may be wiser than using Light Grey ink, > cheaper in use. If it has to be a Grey ink then use the Grey ink say > like this: MK + Grey + 1/2Grey +1/4 Grey (Paul may have better figures > again). Only printing in driver color mode with a matte media setting > you will need curves then to get the right partitioned lay down of the > grey inks. > > Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst > > Dinkla Grafische Techniek > Quad, pi�zografie, gicl�e > www.pigment-print.com <http://www.pigment-print.com> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, daniel andron daniel.andron@... > <mailto:daniel.andron@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] > <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: > > Merci Paul et Ernst, > > > I try purchasing 4 empty cartridges HP10 and HP82. > Vivera light gray on cyan > Magenta and yellow on dilution with kodak optimizer. > I'll post the results after testing .. > Thank you. > > > > > Le 14/09/2015 17:57, Ernst Dinkla ernst.dinkla@... > <mailto:ernst.dinkla@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] a > �crit : >> Daniel, >> >> >> http://www.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00748239.pdf >> says 18 picoliter droplet for the black head, 4 picoliter droplet >> for the color nozzles. >> >> I have used the HP Z3200 Vivera pigment MK (matte black) ink in a >> similar 88 black head of the HP K5400 OfficeJet. But 9 picoliter >> droplet on the black side, possibly 6 picoliter on yellow. Cyan >> and magenta are 6 picoliter. >> In the cyan channel of that printer the Z3200 Vivera pigment PK >> (photo black), on the magenta channel a 1/3 dilution of the PK, >> on the yellow channel a 1/9 dilution of the PK. Tweaked the >> channels with Photoshop ACV curves later on packed in an ICC >> profile together with a linearisation curve (Paul Roark + Roy to >> thank for these features). Matte (4ink), Gloss (3ink). Printing >> from Qimage Ultimate + Windows driver. >> Ink medium to dilute the PK: >> http://www.octopus-office.de/en/shop/details/c/printer-ink-for-kodak-10-c/p/ocp-gloss-optimizer-for-kodak-10-c/ >> Both inks and ink medium are intended for the thermal heads that >> the mentioned HP models have. >> >> I have done this experiment on the desktop model to see whether >> it would be possible on a 4 to 6 channel Designjet later on. I am >> quite convinced it would be possible. Main problem is the bigger >> droplet size of Designjets (other than the Z versions and the >> 130, 90 etc serie that have droplets 4-6 picoliter). >> >> >> >> Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst Dinkla >> >> Dinkla Grafische Techniek >> Quad, pi�zografie, gicl�e >> www.pigment-print.com <http://www.pigment-print.com> >> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 12:35 PM, daniel andron >> daniel.andron@... <mailto:daniel.andron@...> >> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] >> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: >> >> Hello from France, >> I bought hp 500 for 1 $. >> But i print always B/W on matt paper. >> Also i want put black pigment ink in HP82 cartridge (C M Y). >> Head for hp10 (black) 32 pico/l. >> Head for hp82 color 4 pico/l. >> >> Is Black Vivera or Ebony for Epson 1500 (1.5 pico/l) is good ? >> >> Thank >> >> > > >