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similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

Re: similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

2018-08-23 by paulmwhiting@...

"... his neutral ink..."

I don't mean Paul's neutral ink, I mean the neutral element in the inkset being developed at IJM.

Sorry!

Re: [Digital BW] Re: similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

2018-08-23 by Paul Roark

I don't use any neutralized ink, in and of itself, these days. My pattern is now 100% carbon in most printer spaces with a neutralizing toner in one slot to pull the tone from carbon warm to neutral, depending on the profile used. I base the toner on Canon pigments. Interestingly, the same toner works for both MK and PK based carbon inksets. See, for example, http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/3880-Eboni-Variable-Tone.pdf and http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Glossy-Carbon-Variable-Tone.pdf . (MIS makes a clone of this Canon toner.)

Paul




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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 9:08 AM paulmwhiting@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"... his neutral ink..."

I don't mean Paul's neutral ink, I mean the neutral element in the inkset being developed at IJM.

Sorry!

Re: similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

2018-08-23 by paulmwhiting@...

I realized soon after I posted my clarifcation (!) that I shouldn't have said "Paul's neutral ink". I meant of course "neutralizing toner".

Sorry!

Paul W.

Re: similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

2018-08-23 by brian_downunda@...

IJM already sells K5 Pro inks for the ten ink printers. My hunch would be that they'd mix the warm and cool inks in the correct proportions so as to produce a neutral ink and then create the curves. I doubt that there's anything fundamentally new in what they're doing, they'd just be reshuffling their deck of cards to suit PK printing on six ink printers. IJM has always taken a different approach to Paul, in that they create neutral by adding toners to their inks to render them neutral, or some other toning effect, rather than by having a separate toner. I expect that practice would continue.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: similar inkset over at InkJet Mall?

2018-08-24 by Walker Blackwell

We are making an entirely new ink with some of the new techniques learned with Pro ink making just with different ingredients. Not made out of warm/cool pro ink! If so we would have come out with that ink already but the pro has a very slight (intentional) magenta base tone and the neutral won’t. This gets into some esoteric inkmaking art stuff that I can’t put into detail formula-wise so I won’t.

Small format 1.5 picoliter type printers can work with toners etc, but if you support 30 printer models with various droplet sizes and dithers and you print on sharp gloss paper then you may need the classic Piezography functionality IMO. That’s always been our approach and it works well.

But as I said in the original IJM reply, 100% Carbon very high gloss single pass set first . . .

Best,
Walker
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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 7:41 PM brian_downunda@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

IJM already sells K5 Pro inks for the ten ink printers. My hunch would be that they'd mix the warm and cool inks in the correct proportions so as to produce a neutral ink and then create the curves. I doubt that there's anything fundamentally new in what they're doing, they'd just be reshuffling their deck of cards to suit PK printing on six ink printers. IJM has always taken a different approach to Paul, in that they create neutral by adding toners to their inks to render them neutral, or some other toning effect, rather than by having a separate toner. I expect that practice would continue.

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