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Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-07 by roark.paul@...

(This forum needs more volume. This post is also on LuLa.)


My old, but very good, Nikon 8000 scanner will not connect to my new computers. Even the adapter I bought for Firewire to Thunderbolt failed. (Bummer!) So, I decided to see if my Canon 100mm f/2.8L macro lens and Sony a7rii body could do an acceptable job. (I was skeptical, to say the least.) I have an old enlarger stand that makes a good copy stand. After using a mirror under the camera/lens setup to be sure the lens was close to perfectly aligned, I'm happy to say the Nikon scanner is not needed. I take 3 shots of the negative (at f/5.6), with the system adjusted such that the width of the MF negative almost fills the long dimension of the 35mm frame. PS easily merges the shots. I use the old head for the enlarger, upside-down on the baseboard, for a light source. The final black and white display prints made from this method of accessing my old negatives are definitely up to professional display and gallery quality fine art sales. You don't need a drum or Flextight scan of those 120 roll film negatives. The quality of those old MF negatives, particularly those on Tech Pan film, are simply amazing. So, I'm happily "mining" 40 years of negatives, and really appreciating what that old Rollei GX and SL66 on a tripod could (and can) do. (BTW, I was sufficiently fanatical that I used only every other frame on the film to be sure the bend of the film around the rollers of the cameras did not cause the film to come off the film plane.) My first effort is now the main image on my webpage.


Paul

www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-07 by Mark Savoia

Did you see if Silverfast will see it?


Mark
stillrivereditions.com
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> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:27 PM, roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> My old, but very good, Nikon 8000 scanner will not connect to my new computers.  Even the adapter I bought for Firewire to Thunderbolt failed.  (Bummer!)  So, I decided to see if my Canon 100mm f/2.8L macro lens and Sony a7rii body could do an acceptable job.  (I was skeptical, to say the least.)  I have an old enlarger stand that makes a good copy stand.  After using a mirror under  the camera/lens setup to be sure the lens was close to perfectly aligned, I'm happy to say the Nikon scanner is not needed.  I take 3 shots of the negative (at f/5.6), with the system adjusted such that the width of the MF negative almost fills the long dimension of the 35mm frame.  PS easily merges the shots.  I use the old head for the enlarger, upside-down on the baseboard, for a light source.   The final black and white display prints made from this method of accessing my old negatives are definitely up to professional display and gallery quality fine art sales.  You don't need a drum or Flextight scan of those 120 roll film negatives.  The quality of those old MF negatives, particularly those on Tech Pan film, are simply amazing.  So, I'm happily "mining" 40 years of negatives, and really appreciating what that old Rollei GX and SL66 on a tripod could (and can) do.  (BTW, I was sufficiently fanatical that I used only every other frame on the film to be sure the bend of the film around the rollers of the cameras did not cause the film to come off the film plane.)  My first effort is now the main image on my webpage. 
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Re: [Digital BW] Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-07 by Paul Roark

No, I didn't. It looked like the physical/electrical connection between the computer and scanner was never established. If there had been a proper connection I would have expected Windows Explorer to at least "see" the attachment. It never did.

Paul
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On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 10:48 AM Mark Savoia mark@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Did you see if Silverfast will see it?




On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:27 PM, roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



(This forum needs more volume. This post is also on LuLa.)


My old, but very good, Nikon 8000 scanner will not connect to my new computers. Even the adapter I bought for Firewire to Thunderbolt failed. (Bummer!) So, I decided to see if my Canon 100mm f/2.8L macro lens and Sony a7rii body could do an acceptable job. (I was skeptical, to say the least.) I have an old enlarger stand that makes a good copy stand. After using a mirror under the camera/lens setup to be sure the lens was close to perfectly aligned, I'm happy to say the Nikon scanner is not needed. I take 3 shots of the negative (at f/5.6), with the system adjusted such that the width of the MF negative almost fills the long dimension of the 35mm frame. PS easily merges the shots. I use the old head for the enlarger, upside-down on the baseboard, for a light source. The final black and white display prints made from this method of accessing my old negatives are definitely up to professional display and gallery quality fine art sales. You don't need a drum or Flextight scan of those 120 roll film negatives. The quality of those old MF negatives, particularly those on Tech Pan film, are simply amazing. So, I'm happily "mining" 40 years of negatives, and really appreciating what that old Rollei GX and SL66 on a tripod could (and can) do. (BTW, I was sufficiently fanatical that I used only every other frame on the film to be sure the bend of the film around the rollers of the cameras did not cause the film to come off the film plane.) My first effort is now the main image on my webpage.


Paul


www.PaulRoark.com




Re: [Digital BW] Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-07 by Dick Ruck

The Humble Bundle site currently has three bundles of photography
e-books. At a rough guess there are three dozen titles and if you want
the lot it will put you back $15.

The books are multi-format, which usually means .pdf, .mobi and .epub

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/digital-cameras-and-photography-books

Dick


On 07 Jan 2019 17:27:17 +0000
"roark.paul@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]"
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> (This forum needs more volume.  This post is also on LuLa.)
>  
> 
>  My old, but very good, Nikon 8000 scanner will not connect to my new
> computers.  Even the adapter I bought for Firewire to Thunderbolt
> failed.  (Bummer!)  So, I decided to see if my Canon 100mm f/2.8L
> macro lens and Sony a7rii body could do an acceptable job.  (I was
> skeptical, to say the least.)  I have an old enlarger stand that
> makes a good copy stand.  After using a mirror under  the camera/lens
> setup to be sure the lens was close to perfectly aligned, I'm happy
> to say the Nikon scanner is not needed.  I take 3 shots of the
> negative (at f/5.6), with the system adjusted such that the width of
> the MF negative almost fills the long dimension of the 35mm frame.
> PS easily merges the shots.  I use the old head for the enlarger,
> upside-down on the baseboard, for a light source.   The final black
> and white display prints made from this method of accessing my old
> negatives are definitely up to professional display and gallery
> quality fine art sales.  You don't need a drum or Flextight scan of
> those 120 roll film negatives.  The quality of those old MF
> negatives, particularly those on Tech Pan film, are simply amazing.
> So, I'm happily "mining" 40 years of negatives, and really
> appreciating what that old Rollei GX and SL66 on a tripod could (and
> can) do.  (BTW, I was sufficiently fanatical that I used only every
> other frame on the film to be sure the bend of the film around the
> rollers of the cameras did not cause the film to come off the film
> plane.)  My first effort is now the main image on my webpage. 
> 
>  Paul
>  
>  www.PaulRoark.com http://www.PaulRoark.com 



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Re: Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-31 by Fred Fischer

Hi Paul,

The studio had the same dilemma with a Nikon 5000 and a Heidelberg Nexscan. We now use an old Mac W 9.2OS to service both. This was our workaround. BTW we also have a Heidelberg S3900 that came with Windows ’95, now upgraded to ’98. Only 21 years behind….

Fred
--Fred Fischer
         

 Tom Fritz Studios, Inc.
2930 W. Clybourn Street
Milwaukee, WI 53208-4104

414.344.8300
414.344.6155 fax

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Re: Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-01-31 by becavena@...

Paul, Can you say a little more about using a mirror for alignment? How about thoughts on other light sources? (My Nikon 8000 died a year ago. I have lots of old 120, 4x5, and odd sizes in between that I'd like to scan but the options for doing so are limited.) And thanks for starting up a conversation on this.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-02-01 by Paul Roark

I'm in the middle of preparing for a show, but I've posted an image of my "copy stand" that uses my Beseler enlarger frame and Omega head. See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Negative-copying-setup.jpg

When a flat mirror is placed where the negative carrier will later be placed (on top of the light source that is on the enlarger baseboard), the setup is aligned correctly when the image of the reflected camera macro lens is centered in the camera viewfinder. Digital cameras like the Sony have a flip up screen on their backs that allow you to see when the image is centered. There is an adjustment on the enlarger that controls one axis (forward-backward) and the camera can rotate around its tripod screw to control the other axis (right and left).

Hope this helps.

Paul
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On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM becavena@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Paul, Can you say a little more about using a mirror for alignment? How about thoughts on other light sources? (My Nikon 8000 died a year ago. I have lots of old 120, 4x5, and odd sizes in between that I'd like to scan but the options for doing so are limited.) And thanks for starting up a conversation on this.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-02-01 by John Castronovo

A professionally made device for this is the Zig-Align alignment system which is basically a mirror with a hole in the middle of it which mounts on the lens like a filter and you look through it to a mirror placed on the copy board. When the alignment is perfect you’ll see an infinite ring of concentric circles through the viewfinder.

http://www.zig-align.com/
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I'm in the middle of preparing for a show, but I've posted an image of my "copy stand" that uses my Beseler enlarger frame and Omega head.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Negative-copying-setup.jpg 

When a flat mirror is placed where the negative carrier will later be placed (on top of the light source that is on the enlarger baseboard), the setup is aligned correctly when the image of the reflected camera macro lens is centered in the camera viewfinder.  Digital cameras like the Sony have a flip up screen on their backs that allow you to see when the image is centered.  There is an adjustment on the enlarger that controls one axis (forward-backward) and the camera can rotate around its tripod screw to control the other axis (right and left).

Hope this helps.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 10:40 AM becavena@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m> wrote:

    
  Paul,  Can you say a little more about using a mirror for alignment?  How about thoughts on other light sources?  (My Nikon 8000 died a year ago.  I have lots of old 120, 4x5, and odd sizes in between that I'd like to scan but the options for doing so are limited.)  And thanks for starting up a conversation on this.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Digitizing old medium format negatives

2019-03-29 by goch@...

I may not be as picky as Paul and others, but I use a simpler, mechanical way of aligning the sensor to the negative.

I assume that the sensor is 'square' with the camera body and lens. The front of the macro lens can thus be treated as parallel to the sensor. I mount the camera on a Manfrotto levelling base attached to the camera standard or holder of a copy stand. I can then lower the copy-stand standard until the front of the lens sits on the negative carrier. (I use a 35mm carrier from a 4x5 enlarger for this so that the lens is on metal all the way around.) With a little fiddling I can get the front of the lens perfectly flat on the lens board when the levelling base and standard are locked down. Then I raise standard to the height I need. (The upright for my copy stand seems to be sufficiently square with the base not be add more complications.)

For a light I use an LED head made for 4x5 enlargers. Conveniently, its top is parallel to the diffusion plate on the bottom, so it sits securely upside down on the copy stand.

Zig-Align is one of those things I would probably be tempted to buy if I saw one 'in the flesh', but I've never been sufficiently annoyed with alignment to order one.



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