Digital BW, The Print

Hi,

I double checked the settings for this group, Digital BW, The Print, and the
e-mail address settings have not been changed. Only group moderators and
owners can view the list of member e-mail addresses but the list of e-mail
addresses is not open to the public or to group members as far as I can
determine. You should not be able to click on "Members" on the group
homepage.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] [Fwd:More Yahoo Suckiness]


> I'm not big on forwarding e-mail....
>
> But this one needs to be sent to the list and perhaps discussed...
>
> Between the resetting of user preferences for all users to allow us to
> be spammed, then I find YAHOO had reset the group options on the EPSON
> list I moderate to allow any member to see all the e-mail addies (and to
> thereby harvest them -- fair warning moderators, keep an eye out for
> this)...
>
> Now this..
>
> UGH!!!
>
>
> Wasn't "YAHOO!" the sound they made when those guys in Deliverance told
> them to "squeal like a pig"..?. cause my butt is getting mighty raw from
> all this YAHOO! crap!
>
> [Keith]
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Martin Wesley wrote:

>
> I double checked the settings for this group, Digital BW, The Print, 
> and the
> e-mail address settings have not been changed. Only group moderators and
> owners can view the list of member e-mail addresses but the list of e-mail
> addresses is not open to the public or to group members as far as I can
> determine. 



Thanks Martin!!

I have heard from the moderators of several lists that apparently had 
the group options changed... I wonder if they are changing the group 
settings starting with the older lists, alphabetically, or accidentally 
even?  


[Keith]
 
 




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Keith, All,

You can help me keep and eye on this issue. If the "Members" section should
ever become accessible to you please let me know. I cannot tell myself since
my access rights include this section. I would specifically have to go into
the group settings which is not something I do very often.

Even if you did have access to "Members" you should only see truncated
e-mail addresses. Only owners and moderators see the full addresses.

Remember that when you post to a Yahoo group those your posts are e-mailed
to those members who chose to receive posts by e-mail. In those messages
your full e-mail address is displayed. A truncated version is displayed in
the on-line posts.

Group owners and moderators do have access to, "Export List" and "Download
List" and can collect all the e-mail addresses of the entire membership in a
text file.

Here is a quote from the "Help" section of the "Members" page below.

Martin


      Is it possible for a spammer to gather email addresses from Yahoo!
Groups?
      * IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE PAGE.*

      Yes, it is possible. We do everything we can to make this difficult to
do in an automated fashion, but if you use Groups, it is very likely that
others users will be able to see your email address.

      What we do to protect your address:
      Yahoo! Groups has built a system around the concept of preventing bulk
"harvesting" of email addresses. There are several protections in place:
        a.. Non-members of a group never have access to the Members area.
        b.. When members are given access to the Members area (a per-group
option set by the moderator), they can only see profile information you've
told us to display, and your truncated email address (e.g., "joe@x...").
        c.. Message archives on the Yahoo! Groups web site display truncated
email addresses (e.g., "joe@x...").
        d.. The Yahoo! Groups Abuse Team takes abuse complaints seriously
and will take action against abusers of the system.
      Important information about protecting your address:
        a.. Whever you join a group, your email address will be available to
the owner and moderators of that group.
        b.. Whenever you post a message to a group, your email address will
be visible to those members of the group set to receive messages via email.
If you are concerned about your email address being known to other members,
we suggest you set up a special address for Groups using a service such as
Yahoo! Mail.
      Despite the significant resources we have allocated to prevent abuse
of our system, spammers may eventually find ways to abuse our service.
Yahoo! Groups will continue to modify our site to prevent spam. Despite our
best efforts, some abuse may occur.





----- Original Message -----
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] [Fwd:More Yahoo Suckiness]


> Martin Wesley wrote:
>
> >
> > I double checked the settings for this group, Digital BW, The Print,
> > and the
> > e-mail address settings have not been changed. Only group moderators and
> > owners can view the list of member e-mail addresses but the list of
e-mail
> > addresses is not open to the public or to group members as far as I can
> > determine.
>
>
>
> Thanks Martin!!
>
> I have heard from the moderators of several lists that apparently had
> the group options changed... I wonder if they are changing the group
> settings starting with the older lists, alphabetically, or accidentally
> even?
>
>
> [Keith]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 09:42 , Martin Wesley wrote:

>  I cannot tell myself since
> my access rights include this section. I would specifically have to go 
> into
> the group settings which is not something I do very often.
>

The standard workaround for this is that the list owner subscribes to 
his or her own list, uses a secondary browser with cookies turned off, 
visits the groups page and can see exactly what the members can see. Its 
a real pain but I had to do it on one of the list I run because the 
members were having problems with it which did not show up on my Admin 
page.

Jerry.

Jerry,

Thanks for the tip. I think with Yahoo I may have to set up a whole new
Yahoo account but I will check it out.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: <meander@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] [Fwd:More Yahoo Suckiness]


>
> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 09:42 , Martin Wesley wrote:
>
> >  I cannot tell myself since
> > my access rights include this section. I would specifically have to go
> > into
> > the group settings which is not something I do very often.
> >
>
> The standard workaround for this is that the list owner subscribes to
> his or her own list, uses a secondary browser with cookies turned off,
> visits the groups page and can see exactly what the members can see. Its
> a real pain but I had to do it on one of the list I run because the
> members were having problems with it which did not show up on my Admin
> page.
>
> Jerry.
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>