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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Don Rooney

Shelby
I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy -- no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set up or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ---- The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3 min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS inksets to be out for this unit.
Don
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  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I am seriously considering the S9000.

  Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
  are going to soon be supporting this printer.

  Thanks


  Shelby Smith 

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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by richardphan

I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to be any availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get the info that 3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?

That would be idea! Otherwise I'd have to go with Epson....

Thanks,


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Rooney <donr@r...> wrote:
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> Shelby
> I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy -- no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set up or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ---- The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3 min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS inksets to be out for this unit.
> Don
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
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>   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000
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>   I am seriously considering the S9000.
> 
>   Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
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> 
>   Thanks
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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by shelbyrv6a

I am new to all this, but very interested in the possibility of the 
inksets. I am also using a Mac ( iMac & iBook)

I haven't purchased Photoshop yet, but I need to do that also, I 
presume.

Very interested in doing some B&W.

Thanks again.

Shelby

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "richardphan" <
richardphan@y...> wrote:
> I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to 
be any availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get 
the info that 3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?
> 
> That would be idea! Otherwise I'd have to go with Epson....
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Rooney <
donr@r...> wrote:
> > Shelby
> > I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was 
very easy -- no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 
2 minutes. The inital set up or when I first turned it on was 
noisier than I thought it should be ---- The actual printing of 
images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to evaluate printers / 
inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print took just 
under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3 
min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the 
Canon website that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too 
can't wait for MIS inksets to be out for this unit.
> > Don
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> >   From: Shelby Smith 
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> >   Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000
> > 
> > 
> >   I am seriously considering the S9000.
> > 
> >   Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like 
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> >   are going to soon be supporting this printer.
> > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Don Rooney

Richard
A few days ago Paul Roark mentioned in a post that he had been talking to the MIS people about inksets for Canon printers. There were working on it but no real concrete dates to make it available. I bought the Canon anyway. If and when MIS comes out with the inks I'll switch it over to B&W. For now I'll continue to use my Epson 880 (8.5 x11)
Don
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richardphan 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to be any availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get the info that 3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?

  That would be idea! Otherwise I'd have to go with Epson....

  Thanks,


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Rooney <donr@r...> wrote:
  > Shelby
  > I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy -- no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set up or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ---- The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3 min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS inksets to be out for this unit.
  > Don
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Shelby Smith 
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000
  > 
  > 
  >   I am seriously considering the S9000.
  > 
  >   Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
  >   are going to soon be supporting this printer.
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  >   Thanks
  > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

richardphan wrote:

> I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to be any 
> availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get the info 
> that 3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?
>
I've been told by key individuals at MIS, Lyson, and MediaStreet that 
they will support the Canons...

MediaStreet is already shipping empty cartridges..

Luminos is "probably" going to offer support,,

Ilford says, with cartridges, their  inksets could be used... Including 
their monokrome set..  They would like to offer their inks in 
1270/1290/870 cartridges anyway.. They just need a stable source of 
empties..


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RE: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by valpatel

Don,

I will appreciate if you would let us know which profiles you used and how
the results were of your printing on s9000.

Thanks,

            Val
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Rooney [mailto:donr@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:40 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

Shelby
I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy -- no
problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set up
or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ----
The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to
evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print
took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3
min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website
that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS
inksets to be out for this unit.
Don
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Shelby Smith
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I am seriously considering the S9000.

  Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
  are going to soon be supporting this printer.

  Thanks


  Shelby Smith

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RE: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by valpatel

Don or Other,

Isn't it possible to make good BW prints on s9000 with some effort in
PhotoShop (I read some tutorials which claim it is possible)?  Or is it a
waste of effort?

            Val
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Rooney [mailto:donr@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:56 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

Richard
A few days ago Paul Roark mentioned in a post that he had been talking to
the MIS people about inksets for Canon printers. There were working on it
but no real concrete dates to make it available. I bought the Canon anyway.
If and when MIS comes out with the inks I'll switch it over to B&W. For now
I'll continue to use my Epson 880 (8.5 x11)
Don
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: richardphan
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to be any
availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get the info that
3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?

  That would be idea! Otherwise I'd have to go with Epson....

  Thanks,


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Rooney <donr@r...> wrote:
  > Shelby
  > I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy --
no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set
up or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ----
The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to
evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print
took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3
min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website
that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS
inksets to be out for this unit.
  > Don
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Shelby Smith
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
  >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000
  >
  >
  >   I am seriously considering the S9000.
  >
  >   Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and
others
  >   are going to soon be supporting this printer.
  >
  >   Thanks
  >
  >
  >   Shelby Smith
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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

valpatel wrote:

> Don or Other,
>
> Isn't it possible to make good BW prints on s9000 with some effort in
> PhotoShop (I read some tutorials which claim it is possible)?  Or is it a
> waste of effort?
>
Yes it is..  They look great...  I wouldn't call them smack dab neutral 
though... and no 6 color ink set will match the tonality range of a 
monochrome hex inkset

and the inks are still dye-based, so the archival concerns rise for 
fine-art printers..

The S900 is a great printer out of the box, but there isn't a one-stop 
solution to printing yet... if there ever  will be..



Keith

Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-23 by Don Rooney

Val
I have not tried to make a B&W print on the S9000 because I have other dedicated B&W printers setup. But I will attempt it over the next several days as time permits.
Don
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: valpatel 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:02 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  Don or Other,

  Isn't it possible to make good BW prints on s9000 with some effort in
  PhotoShop (I read some tutorials which claim it is possible)?  Or is it a
  waste of effort?

              Val

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Don Rooney [mailto:donr@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:56 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

  Richard
  A few days ago Paul Roark mentioned in a post that he had been talking to
  the MIS people about inksets for Canon printers. There were working on it
  but no real concrete dates to make it available. I bought the Canon anyway.
  If and when MIS comes out with the inks I'll switch it over to B&W. For now
  I'll continue to use my Epson 880 (8.5 x11)
  Don
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: richardphan
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:59 AM
    Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


    I'm very tempted by the S9000 too, but there does not seem to be any
  availability of B&W inks for that printer. Where did you get the info that
  3rd party ink mfgs were going to support the Canon?

    That would be idea! Otherwise I'd have to go with Epson....

    Thanks,


    --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Don Rooney <donr@r...> wrote:
    > Shelby
    > I just set up my S9000 over the weekend. Installation was very easy --
  no problems. Head alignment procedure took about 2 minutes. The inital set
  up or when I first turned it on was noisier than I thought it should be ----
  The actual printing of images is quiet. Output a PDF I always use to
  evaluate printers / inks / papers -- set to glossy paper --a  8.5 x 11 print
  took just under 2 minutes. I also output a 13 x 18 print and it took about 3
  min 45 sec. There is an updated driver (version 1.52) at the Canon website
  that also includes a profile for matte paper. I too can't wait for MIS
  inksets to be out for this unit.
    > Don
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: Shelby Smith
    >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
    >   Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:10 AM
    >   Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000
    >
    >
    >   I am seriously considering the S9000.
    >
    >   Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and
  others
    >   are going to soon be supporting this printer.
    >
    >   Thanks
    >
    >
    >   Shelby Smith
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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-24 by Martin Wesley

Shelby,

Just a note. MIS does not support any printers. They simply provide ink. The workflows that are on their site were developed by enthusiasts who received no pay from MIS. If you go with the Canon you will be on your own do develop a workflow which you should be able to do using RGB separation curves but you need to dive in and do them yourself.

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Shelby Smith 
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:10 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I am seriously considering the S9000.

  Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
  are going to soon be supporting this printer.

  Thanks


  Shelby Smith 


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Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000

2002-04-24 by Shelby Smith

Thanks, 

I am just learning about all of this, but I like the six independent
cartridges and I have been happy with other Canon eqmt I have. I have a Mac
and haven't gotten Photoshop yet, but plan to.

I appreciate all the help from folks here.
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From: Martin Wesley <mwesley250@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:23:36 -0700
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


Shelby,

Just a note. MIS does not support any printers. They simply provide ink. The
workflows that are on their site were developed by enthusiasts who received
no pay from MIS. If you go with the Canon you will be on your own do develop
a workflow which you should be able to do using RGB separation curves but
you need to dive in and do them yourself.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Shelby Smith
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:10 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Canon S9000


  I am seriously considering the S9000.

  Any advice of thoughts would be appreciated. I sounds like MIS and others
  are going to soon be supporting this printer.

  Thanks


  Shelby Smith 


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This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.