Digital BW, The Print

marktuckerdotcom wrote:

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Wow...


Incorporates ideas from all over..


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Mark,

Thanks for the tip. Everything sounds great except for that "45 to 75 years" print life. That will certainly fly in the realm of fine art color prints but it is not going to cut it for B&W. He also didn't mention anything about metamerism in the prints so I wonder if they have come up with a fix.

If the metamerism is okay this would be perfect commercial B&W work. 

I will probably buy one for the color if not for the B&W.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

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  Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:08 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 (with Grey Balancer)



  http://www.photo-i.co.uk/frames.htm

  Seems to be the replacement for the 2000P? And scroll down 
  the page, to see how they're dealing with B/W neutrality.





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This printer will be deignated the Epson Stylus Photo 2200 in the 
USA and available in July at $699.
http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.042502/221150021.ht
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In a message dated 4/25/02 2:47:06 AM, mwesley250@... writes:

>Everything sounds great except for that "45 to 75 years" print life.

Epson will happily leave you and the rest of the small group with higher life 
expectations that this on your own, while they make money with the general 
market. Considering the error range in estimages above 45 years, I'm not sure 
that your high ideals are all that meaningful.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

Ouch that burns. I don't know if Martin is going to reply to this 
but I will. Before you burst into righteous indignation (or is it too 
late for that) you might want to find out a little more info. The 
lightfastness they are giving out is conspicuously lacking test 
conditions. I will bet that 45 to 75 years is going to be indoor 
light and probably behind glass. DEMAND test conditions for any 
lightfastness or archivability claims. I can make a print last for 
50,000 years with zero fade-stored in vacuum and complete darkness 
but who cares.
 Did you notice that the lightfastness numbers dropped significantly 
from the 2000P inks? Wonder why? My sources indicate something I'll 
pose as a question. How do you get pigmented inks to look really 
bright and with a little switch of black inks print on matte or gloss 
but in the process lose a huge chunk of lightfastness? ....Give 
up? ......Come on don't die out on me here...OK I'll tell you- you 
make a dye/pigment hybrid ink. Excuse some of us for wanting a 
solution that's more that smoke and mirrors. 

The printer and software are a quantum leap in the right direction 
and most nondiscerning users will probably be happy with it but don't 
get histerical if people who have professions and reputations to 
uphold don't jump on the bandwagon just yet. It's all just the 
typical pre-release hype anyway.

Jeff


In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., CDTobie@a... wrote:
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> In a message dated 4/25/02 2:47:06 AM, mwesley250@e... writes:
> 
> >Everything sounds great except for that "45 to 75 years" print 
life.
> 
> Epson will happily leave you and the rest of the small group with 
higher life 
> expectations that this on your own, while they make money with the 
general 
> market. Considering the error range in estimages above 45 years, 
I'm not sure 

> that your high ideals are all that meaningful.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Design Cooperative
> CDTobie@d...

There seems to be different longevity numbers floating around depending on 
which country the information is coming from. In my forays into the 
Japanese site for the 4000 model, I saw the number 75 and since I don't 
read Japanese, figured this was the upper limit of print life.

UK sites have used the 45 to 75 year span.

And now the US press release that appeared on the businesswire.com site 
states "prints lasting up to 80 years on EPSON Watercolor Paper and black 
and white prints lasting up to 100 years on various fine art papers."

The only test conditions mentioned are "prints displayed indoors, under glass."

Jeff Greer

At 11:44 PM 04/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Mark,
>
>Thanks for the tip. Everything sounds great except for that "45 to 75 
>years" print life. That will certainly fly in the realm of fine art color 
>prints but it is not going to cut it for B&W. He also didn't mention 
>anything about metamerism in the prints so I wonder if they have come up 
>with a fix.
>
>If the metamerism is okay this would be perfect commercial B&W work.
>
>I will probably buy one for the color if not for the B&W.
>
>Martin Wesley
>http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: marktuckerdotcom
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:08 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 (with Grey Balancer)
>
>
>
>   http://www.photo-i.co.uk/frames.htm
>
>   Seems to be the replacement for the 2000P? And scroll down
>   the page, to see how they're dealing with B/W neutrality.
>
>
>
>
>
>   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls 
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