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Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems

2002-04-25 by Martin Wesley

Julian,

I bought a couple of prints from LensWork magazine that were contact printed from digital negs that I find undetectable from regular enlargements. They were made using Dan Burkholder's methods and were output on a 3600dpi image setter. There are even higher resolution image setters out there too. There is more info on Dan's site, http://www.danburkholder.com/, under "Book Info" and Faqs.

He also discusses chromogenic inkjet negs as well.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian Thomas 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems



  > But what I miss is the depht and contrast that the Lyson prints
  > has.  - A glossy paper with some inks that shows deep blacks
  > and prints well at both glossy and matte papers and shows no
  > metamerisms..
  >
  > Is it possible at all to produce a digital print that beats the
  > traditional silverbased print in every way?
  >
  > Anyone who has some experiences?
  Bjorn, you are using a totally different system that is more akin to
  platinum than to silver prints. I'm trying to find ways to produce a high
  quality dig neg, and I've not found one sharpenough yet. So, I'm silver
  printing those neghs that need it and dig printing those that look better on
  inkjet.

  Julian




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Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems

2002-04-25 by Julian Thomas

Martin, I've looked into these. The problem is cost - at around 150USD the
market around here won't stand the hike. The max i can sell a 10x10" print
in Spain for is 500USD, gallery takes half, I pay framing...
I am going try the inkjet method though. I have the film on order.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:19 AM
Subject: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems


> Julian,
>
> I bought a couple of prints from LensWork magazine that were contact
printed from digital negs that I find undetectable from regular
enlargements. They were made using Dan Burkholder's methods and were output
on a 3600dpi image setter. There are even higher resolution image setters
out there too. There is more info on Dan's site,
http://www.danburkholder.com/, under "Book Info" and Faqs.
>
> He also discusses chromogenic inkjet negs as well.
>
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Julian Thomas
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:31 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems
>
>
>
>   > But what I miss is the depht and contrast that the Lyson prints
>   > has.  - A glossy paper with some inks that shows deep blacks
>   > and prints well at both glossy and matte papers and shows no
>   > metamerisms..
>   >
>   > Is it possible at all to produce a digital print that beats the
>   > traditional silverbased print in every way?
>   >
>   > Anyone who has some experiences?
>   Bjorn, you are using a totally different system that is more akin to
>   platinum than to silver prints. I'm trying to find ways to produce a
high
>   quality dig neg, and I've not found one sharpenough yet. So, I'm silver
>   printing those neghs that need it and dig printing those that look
better on
>   inkjet.
>
>   Julian
>
>
>
>
>   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems

2002-04-25 by Martin Wesley

Julian,

That is a very stiff price. Please let us know how you get on with the inkjet negs and printing. I would really like to see more on the list than just quads.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian Thomas 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:11 AM
  Subject: Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems


  Martin, I've looked into these. The problem is cost - at around 150USD the
  market around here won't stand the hike. The max i can sell a 10x10" print
  in Spain for is 500USD, gallery takes half, I pay framing...
  I am going try the inkjet method though. I have the film on order.

  Julian
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:19 AM
  Subject: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems


  > Julian,
  >
  > I bought a couple of prints from LensWork magazine that were contact
  printed from digital negs that I find undetectable from regular
  enlargements. They were made using Dan Burkholder's methods and were output
  on a 3600dpi image setter. There are even higher resolution image setters
  out there too. There is more info on Dan's site,
  http://www.danburkholder.com/, under "Book Info" and Faqs.
  >
  > He also discusses chromogenic inkjet negs as well.
  >
  > Martin Wesley
  > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
  >
  >
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Julian Thomas
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:31 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems
  >
  >
  >
  >   > But what I miss is the depht and contrast that the Lyson prints
  >   > has.  - A glossy paper with some inks that shows deep blacks
  >   > and prints well at both glossy and matte papers and shows no
  >   > metamerisms..
  >   >
  >   > Is it possible at all to produce a digital print that beats the
  >   > traditional silverbased print in every way?
  >   >
  >   > Anyone who has some experiences?
  >   Bjorn, you are using a totally different system that is more akin to
  >   platinum than to silver prints. I'm trying to find ways to produce a
  high
  >   quality dig neg, and I've not found one sharpenough yet. So, I'm silver
  >   printing those neghs that need it and dig printing those that look
  better on
  >   inkjet.
  >
  >   Julian
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
  other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
  >
  >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
  >
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  >
  >
  > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems

2002-04-25 by Julian Thomas

Sure, I'll keep you up to date. I've just had a very nice communication with
Kami at PhotoInkjet - I've only ordered 25 sheets of A4 to try and because
the shipping is so steep she's chucking in 10 sheets of other Bright Cube
stuff to try. What a nice place!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems


> Julian,
>
> That is a very stiff price. Please let us know how you get on with the
inkjet negs and printing. I would really like to see more on the list than
just quads.
>
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Julian Thomas
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:11 AM
>   Subject: Re: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim
problems
>
>
>   Martin, I've looked into these. The problem is cost - at around 150USD
the
>   market around here won't stand the hike. The max i can sell a 10x10"
print
>   in Spain for is 500USD, gallery takes half, I pay framing...
>   I am going try the inkjet method though. I have the film on order.
>
>   Julian
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
>   To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>   Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:19 AM
>   Subject: Digital Negs was Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems
>
>
>   > Julian,
>   >
>   > I bought a couple of prints from LensWork magazine that were contact
>   printed from digital negs that I find undetectable from regular
>   enlargements. They were made using Dan Burkholder's methods and were
output
>   on a 3600dpi image setter. There are even higher resolution image
setters
>   out there too. There is more info on Dan's site,
>   http://www.danburkholder.com/, under "Book Info" and Faqs.
>   >
>   > He also discusses chromogenic inkjet negs as well.
>   >
>   > Martin Wesley
>   > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   >   From: Julian Thomas
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:31 PM
>   >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Lyson Quad Metamerim problems
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   > But what I miss is the depht and contrast that the Lyson prints
>   >   > has.  - A glossy paper with some inks that shows deep blacks
>   >   > and prints well at both glossy and matte papers and shows no
>   >   > metamerisms..
>   >   >
>   >   > Is it possible at all to produce a digital print that beats the
>   >   > traditional silverbased print in every way?
>   >   >
>   >   > Anyone who has some experiences?
>   >   Bjorn, you are using a totally different system that is more akin to
>   >   platinum than to silver prints. I'm trying to find ways to produce a
>   high
>   >   quality dig neg, and I've not found one sharpenough yet. So, I'm
silver
>   >   printing those neghs that need it and dig printing those that look
>   better on
>   >   inkjet.
>   >
>   >   Julian
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
and
>   other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>   >
>   >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>   >
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