Digital BW, The Print

Bert,

You wrote:

>...What the best paper and the correct setting on my
>Epson stylus color 740 printer that will give me good [B&W]
>prints considering the limitations of the equipment...

I tried for some time to get good B&W prints from color inksets, and
ultimately gave up.  That is why most of us on this list use one of the
"quad" inkset solutions.

I recently received a wedding invitation that used one of my early B&W
prints that had been done with a color inkset.  I thought it looked really
good when I shipped it a couple of years ago.  However, even though it had
been in dark storage, I was embarrassed that my name was on the back of the
card I received.  Although the sender seemed to think the card was good
enough for a wedding invitation, I was acutely aware of color tints and
crossovers.

I know this is probably not what you wanted to hear, but if want to avoid a
lot of trouble and get good B&W prints, I'd recommend a quad inkset approach
with a printer that is well-supported by the various workflows that are used
here.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

---
Dear Paul,
It is exactly what I wanted to hear ...Thank you for your kind
and factual response... Now..where can I purchase the equipment that 
you suggested?
Gratefully
Bert Salzman
 In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:

> Bert,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >...What the best paper and the correct setting on my
> >Epson stylus color 740 printer that will give me good [B&W]
> >prints considering the limitations of the equipment...
> 
> I tried for some time to get good B&W prints from color inksets, and
> ultimately gave up.  That is why most of us on this list use one of the
> "quad" inkset solutions.
> 
> I recently received a wedding invitation that used one of my early B&W
> prints that had been done with a color inkset.  I thought it looked really
> good when I shipped it a couple of years ago.  However, even though it had
> been in dark storage, I was embarrassed that my name was on the back of the
> card I received.  Although the sender seemed to think the card was good
> enough for a wedding invitation, I was acutely aware of color tints and
> crossovers.
> 
> I know this is probably not what you wanted to hear, but if want to avoid a
> lot of trouble and get good B&W prints, I'd recommend a quad inkset approach
> with a printer that is well-supported by the various workflows that are used
> here.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Bert,

I have a fair number of people asking me what to buy to get into B&W
printing.  In the past, the 1160 was the  standard, but with it's demise,
there is a bit of a gap.  The 1280s are great, but not cheap.

MIS believes that refurbished 1270s and 870s (which hopefully will use the
same variable-tone control curves) are the best deals now.  Frankly,
however, I've not been satisfied with the curves for those machines.

So, MIS is sending me an 870 tomorrow.  I'll refine the MIS VM curves for
that platform -- it's much easier to do so in-house.  Assuming that the "no
color adjustment" setting makes these curves cross-platform, the curves I
can do in-house will then be good for the 1270 and 870, whether on PC or
Mac.

With the caveat that there are several assumptions above, what we are trying
to do is set up the 1270/870 as a platform that is affordable and can put
out great MIS VM  and VM-Sepia prints.  I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS
workflow for the platform.  So, at this point I am recommending the 1270 and
870 with MIS Vm inks (see www.inksupply.com).  Be patient, however, about
the quality of the existing control curves.  I'll be upgrading them ASAP.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com



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  -----Original Message-----
  From: bertsalzman [mailto:bwsalzman@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:16 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply Simply please?


  ---
  Dear Paul,
  It is exactly what I wanted to hear ...Thank you for your kind
  and factual response... Now..where can I purchase the equipment that
  you suggested?
  Gratefully
  Bert Salzman
  In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...>
  wrote:
  > Bert,
  >
  > You wrote:
  >
  > >...What the best paper and the correct setting on my
  > >Epson stylus color 740 printer that will give me good [B&W]
  > >prints considering the limitations of the equipment...
  >
  > I tried for some time to get good B&W prints from color inksets, and
  > ultimately gave up.  That is why most of us on this list use one of the
  > "quad" inkset solutions.
  >
  > I recently received a wedding invitation that used one of my early B&W
  > prints that had been done with a color inkset.  I thought it looked
really
  > good when I shipped it a couple of years ago.  However, even though it
had
  > been in dark storage, I was embarrassed that my name was on the back of
the
  > card I received.  Although the sender seemed to think the card was good
  > enough for a wedding invitation, I was acutely aware of color tints and
  > crossovers.
  >
  > I know this is probably not what you wanted to hear, but if want to
avoid a
  > lot of trouble and get good B&W prints, I'd recommend a quad inkset
approach
  > with a printer that is well-supported by the various workflows that are
used
  > here.
  >
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the 
platform.  

Paul:

Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed 
different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing 
the FS ink densities at their current positions?

Thanks.

Jeff Randall

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:

>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>>platform.

Jeff Randall wrote:

>Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>the FS ink densities at their current positions?

Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset for
the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
available is always a variable.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using including
Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
follow.

Robert


5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> 
>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>>> platform.
> 
> Jeff Randall wrote:
> 
>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
> 
> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset for
> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
> available is always a variable.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Posted again...under a more appropriate subject...

On 5/8/02 10:12 AM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...> wrote:

> Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
> 1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
> profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using including
> Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
> follow.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
>> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>>>> platform.
>> 
>> Jeff Randall wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
>> 
>> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
>> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset for
>> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
>> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
>> available is always a variable.
>> 
>> Paul
>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Paul Roark <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
> >>platform.
> 
> Jeff Randall wrote:
> 
> >Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
> >different ink positions or are you going to experiment with 
changing
> >the FS ink densities at their current positions?
> 
> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs 
inkset for
> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less 
confusion
> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
> available is always a variable.

Paul:

I agree that a "no curves" FS inkset would be ideal.  But I am afraid 
that this will require a whole lot of tweaking with the inkset 
densities. Even using "no color correction" in the Epson driver, 
cross-platform uniformity may be difficult (not to mention the day to 
day and printer to printer variations).  I guess there ARE 3 working 
days per solar day and thus 21 working days per solar week....
(;>))

Jeff Randall

Robert,

That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
others.

I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
the way to go.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:13 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870


  Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
  1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
  profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using including
  Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
  follow.

  Robert


  5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
  > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
  >
  >>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
  >>> platform.
  >
  > Jeff Randall wrote:
  >
  >> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
  >> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
  >> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
  >
  > Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
  > positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset
for
  > the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
  > than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
  > available is always a variable.
  >
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com
  >
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anyone know what the pricing for the 1270 version will be/

-- ricardo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870


> Robert,
>
> That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
> others.
>
> I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
> for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
> have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
> the way to go.
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:13 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870
>
>
>   Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
>   1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
>   profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using
including
>   Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
>   follow.
>
>   Robert
>
>
>   5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
>   > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
>   > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>   >
>   >>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>   >>> platform.
>   >
>   > Jeff Randall wrote:
>   >
>   >> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>   >> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>   >> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
>   >
>   > Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
>   > positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs
inkset
> for
>   > the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less
confusion
>   > than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
>   > available is always a variable.
>   >
>   > Paul
>   > http://www.PaulRoark.com
>   >
>   >
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About $500. $1500 for the 7000/7500.

Robert

On 5/8/02 10:45 AM, "Ricardo Lagos" <ricardo@...> wrote:

> anyone know what the pricing for the 1270 version will be/
> 
> -- ricardo
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870
> 
> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
>> others.
>> 
>> I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
>> for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
>> have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
>> the way to go.
>> Paul
>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>> 
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:13 AM
>>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870
>> 
>> 
>>   Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
>>   1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
>>   profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using
> including
>>   Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
>>   follow.
>> 
>>   Robert
>> 
>> 
>>   5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
>>> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>>>>> platform.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Randall wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>>>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>>>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
>>> 
>>> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
>>> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs
> inkset
>> for
>>> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less
> confusion
>>> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
>>> available is always a variable.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>>> 
>>> 
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> That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
> others.

They have a 7000 and 9000 class driver already.  I don't know about the
3000...its rather old technology...they aren't supporting the 1160 either.

> I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
> for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
> have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
> the way to go.
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Unless you are content to print on EAM...or have a whole lot of time and
money for paper I think spending the money for either Piezo or Imageprint is
the best thing a newbe can do...buying the piezo driver was the best money I
spent in this whole venture.  I would have never gotten to where I am now
using curves...I simply don't have enough time to develop and tweak them for
all the different papers that I would have liked to try.  Having all of
those paper profiles has allowed me to try so many papers with good results.
In my opinion you simply don't get a feel for what quad printing can be if
you only print on EAM.

I think that imageprint looks like a good alternative...it allows
considerably more control than the piezo driver, no microbanding and better
dmax on the same papers.  When the VM upgrade is ready...I'd say that would
be the ultimate quad print engine. I'll report when I get a copy...but I
trust Mike's appraisal using the FS-N inks.

Robert

On 5/8/02 10:33 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
> others.
> 
> I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
> for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
> have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
> the way to go.
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:13 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870
> 
> 
> Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
> 1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
> profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using including
> Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
> follow.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> 5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> 
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
>> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
>>>> platform.
>> 
>> Jeff Randall wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
>>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
>>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
>> 
>> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
>> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset
> for
>> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
>> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
>> available is always a variable.
>> 
>> Paul
>> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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ColorByte supports the Epson 3000,5000 and 5500 with Imageprint rip
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Morrison 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870


  > That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
  > others.

  They have a 7000 and 9000 class driver already.  I don't know about the
  3000...its rather old technology...they aren't supporting the 1160 either.

  > I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
  > for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
  > have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
  > the way to go.
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com

  Unless you are content to print on EAM...or have a whole lot of time and
  money for paper I think spending the money for either Piezo or Imageprint is
  the best thing a newbe can do...buying the piezo driver was the best money I
  spent in this whole venture.  I would have never gotten to where I am now
  using curves...I simply don't have enough time to develop and tweak them for
  all the different papers that I would have liked to try.  Having all of
  those paper profiles has allowed me to try so many papers with good results.
  In my opinion you simply don't get a feel for what quad printing can be if
  you only print on EAM.

  I think that imageprint looks like a good alternative...it allows
  considerably more control than the piezo driver, no microbanding and better
  dmax on the same papers.  When the VM upgrade is ready...I'd say that would
  be the ultimate quad print engine. I'll report when I get a copy...but I
  trust Mike's appraisal using the FS-N inks.

  Robert


  On 5/8/02 10:33 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

  > Robert,
  > 
  > That's excellent.  I hope they extend the support to the 3000, 7000 and
  > others.
  > 
  > I still think that a free, open entry-level approach is needed.  However,
  > for those who do a lot of printing or for whom the price is no problem, I
  > have no doubt that a professional RIP with lots of paper profiles will be
  > the way to go.
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...]
  > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:13 AM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Simply please? - 1270 & 870
  > 
  > 
  > Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product for the
  > 1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will include
  > profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using including
  > Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink set is to
  > follow.
  > 
  > Robert
  > 
  > 
  > 5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
  > 
  >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
  >> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
  >> 
  >>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
  >>>> platform.
  >> 
  >> Jeff Randall wrote:
  >> 
  >>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your proposed
  >>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with changing
  >>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
  >> 
  >> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered ink
  >> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs inkset
  > for
  >> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less confusion
  >> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time is
  >> available is always a variable.
  >> 
  >> Paul
  >> http://www.PaulRoark.com
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This may have been posted already but the ColorByte (Imageprint) 
folks have a page devoted to "new ehancements for quadtone printing" 
regarding their Imageprint 4.0. It has a little information on 
grayscale ICC profiling in the software.

Thad Munnerlyn

http://www.colorbytesoftware.com/



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Posted again...under a more appropriate subject...
> 
> On 5/8/02 10:12 AM, "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> 
> > Imageprint is about (I think next week) to release their product 
for the
> > 1270/1280/1290 that supports the current FS ink sets.  It will 
include
> > profiles for most of the papers that you all are currently using 
including
> > Epson/Hahnemuhle/Legion and Brightcube. Support for the VM ink 
set is to
> > follow.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 5/8/02 9:24 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > 
> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
> >> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> I suspect I'll also do an Epson FS workflow for 1270 & 870 the
> >>>> platform.
> >> 
> >> Jeff Randall wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Are you planning to "profile" the FS inkset based on your 
proposed
> >>> different ink positions or are you going to experiment with 
changing
> >>> the FS ink densities at their current positions?
> >> 
> >> Probably both.  I'll likely see how your profile for the altered 
ink
> >> positions works first.  However, I think that a "no workflow" Fs 
inkset for
> >> the modern hextones would help a lot of people going with less 
confusion
> >> than now exists with all these curves.  Of course, how much time 
is
> >> available is always a variable.
> >> 
> >> Paul
> >> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> >> 
> >> 
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