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Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600

Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600

2002-05-23 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

> Their first attempt with the big printers is the outrageous ink
> waste when switching from Photo to Matte Black in the 7600/9600
> printers. I almost laughed out loud whan I read Royce Bair's statement
> to the effect that Epson, when asked about having a blacks-only purge,
> stated that it was impossible due to the design of the heads. 

Some farcical ad copy:

"EPSON introduces the EPSON Stylus Pro Bulimic 7600 and 9600.. Printers 
that purge unnecessarily."

Anyone know if the 2200 suffers from Anorexia as well?  Or does it purge 
only the changed cartridge?
 


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RE: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600

2002-05-23 by Lloyd O'Daniel

I'm hoping that the 2200 will be like previous desktop designs with the
ink carts riding on the head. With 7 carts, I'm not sure they do. If so,
there should not be the high volume of ink or purge fluid required to
flush out the old ink as with the large printers. I haven't done it
myself, but I understand there are those who routinely swap CIS's or
carts with different inksets on small printers. This wouldn't be
feasible with the 3000 and up. So, I'm hopeful that the ink waste will
be greatly attenuated with the 2200. But I expect it to be all 7 colors,
because it serves Epson's purpose to make it that way. I'm also hoping
that Epson won't make up for the low ink waste of the 2200 by charging
$2/ml of ink, but that might be wishful thinking. Whether or not I buy a
2200 will depend on the cost of the carts and the number of prints per
set.
 
Since I have always used 3rd party inks and CIS's, I don't even have
Status Monitors installed for my 1200's. A friend of mine has a 2000P
and is constantly bemoaning ink cost and having to swap carts after
15-20 prints. He doesn't believe that the individual carts of the 2200
will be a big savings, since he says the 2000P colors all go at about
the same rate anyway. Buying 7 carts at once will probably be more
expensive than buying 2. Let's hope they last a lot longer.
 
Lloyd
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From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service [mailto:editor@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:29 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU
Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600



Some farcical ad copy:

"EPSON introduces the EPSON Stylus Pro Bulimic 7600 and 9600.. Printers 
that purge unnecessarily."

Anyone know if the 2200 suffers from Anorexia as well?  Or does it purge

only the changed cartridge?







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RE: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600

2002-05-23 by Lloyd O'Daniel

Jerry,
 
I know I'm cynical and suspicious. :-) But, I don't think the fact that
7 individual ink carts might remove the feasibility of CIS development
has escaped Epson. CIS's for my 1160 and 1200's cost $125. Add 2
reverse-engineered chipped carts for the 1270/1280/2000P and the price
jumps to $225. Imagine the cost of providing *7* chipped carts on a CIS.
Do you think that might have had something to do with Epson's
willingness to "listen to their customers" on the request for individual
carts? 
 
Lloyd
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:00 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU
Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600


Lloyd, lets hope that someone will make a CIS for it right away!

Jerry

Buying 7 carts at once will probably be more
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Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600

2002-05-23 by Jerry Olson

Lloyd, Well I have the 6 colors on the 1280, but I suppose one chip covers
the color cartridge.  Do you know the capacity of the individual tanks?

I'm certain someone will find a way to refill those individual tanks!

Jerry
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> I know I'm cynical and suspicious. :-) But, I don't think the fact that
> 7 individual ink carts might remove the feasibility of CIS development
> has escaped Epson. CIS's for my 1160 and 1200's cost $125. Add 2
> reverse-engineered chipped carts for the 1270/1280/2000P and the price
> jumps to $225. Imagine the cost of providing *7* chipped carts on a CIS.
> Do you think that might have had something to do with Epson's
> willingness to "listen to their customers" on the request for individual
> carts? 
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:00 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OEM Ink Pricing & Tactics Invetigated by EU
> Anti-Trust Commissioner - Bulemic 7600/9600
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> Lloyd, lets hope that someone will make a CIS for it right away!
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> Jerry
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