Digital BW, The Print

All,

For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every evening containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each night it is from a different e-mail address. The e-mails are addressed to my two personal addresses and to me as list owner of this group. So I suspect that some group member or former group member's computer is infected with this worm virus.

(The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo has antivirus software in place to block that.) 

You can read all about this virus at:

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...

The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to remove if your computer becomes infected. It is one of those worms that resides on your computer, searches for e-mail addresses and then does mass mailings to those addresses using randomly selected files from your computer for the text, itself as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly selected e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can only quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.

So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software, keep it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All of us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our friends.

Thanks,
Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Martin,

I too have been recipient of emails from someone with Klez. The important
point to note is that, whilst the email may appear to come from different
users in e.g. Outlook list-view, the _actual_ original sender can often be
seen inside the Header of the email. In outlook, you can right-click on an
email (in list mode) and view 'Options...'.

The sting in the tail for me was that whilst I received empty emails,
someone else always received an email _purporting_ to be from me, but with
the virus attached. Again, viewing the email header showed the real source
of the email.

There is also often a subtle difference in the way that users are identified
in such emails - often being seen as their email address, rather than e.g.
their 'name' like Nij in my case.

SO... please to all, don't rush to blame on such an issue, as the virus does
like to cause that :(  However, do notify the 'apparent' sender, and also
the actual originator. If it turns out you are the originator, download some
fixes from the internet (ideally on a clean PC) and disconnect from the
internet until you have cleaned all your machines of the virus. That means
disconnect your modem, ADSL cable, whatever. There is NO reason why you
can't clear this worm in one day flat and without infecting a single other
person... though it would really help if people would apply security patches
etc to Outlook / Internet Explorer etc that prevented auto-runnign scripts
and so on.

Best regards,
nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
> Sent: 05 June 2002 05:56
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution
>
>
> All,
>
> For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every
> evening containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each
> night it is from a different e-mail address. The e-mails are
> addressed to my two personal addresses and to me as list owner of
> this group. So I suspect that some group member or former group
> member's computer is infected with this worm virus.
>
> (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo
> has antivirus software in place to block that.)
>
> You can read all about this virus at:
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...
>
> The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to
> remove if your computer becomes infected. It is one of those
> worms that resides on your computer, searches for e-mail
> addresses and then does mass mailings to those addresses using
> randomly selected files from your computer for the text, itself
> as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly selected
> e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it
> is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can
> only quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.
>
> So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus
> software, keep it turned on and keep your virus definition files
> updated regularly. All of us who are very active on the Internet
> need to protect ourselves and our friends.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>

Sorry, I should also have stressed that this incident was historic, and not
related to this 'outbreak' that might be associated with Digital BW.

Best regards,
nij



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nij [mailto:nigel@...]
> Sent: 05 June 2002 10:11
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution
>
>
> Martin,
>
> I too have been recipient of emails from someone with Klez. The important
> point to note is that, whilst the email may appear to come from different
> users in e.g. Outlook list-view, the _actual_ original sender can often be
> seen inside the Header of the email. In outlook, you can right-click on an
> email (in list mode) and view 'Options...'.
>
> The sting in the tail for me was that whilst I received empty emails,
> someone else always received an email _purporting_ to be from me, but with
> the virus attached. Again, viewing the email header showed the real source
> of the email.
>
> There is also often a subtle difference in the way that users are
> identified
> in such emails - often being seen as their email address, rather than e.g.
> their 'name' like Nij in my case.
>
> SO... please to all, don't rush to blame on such an issue, as the
> virus does
> like to cause that :(  However, do notify the 'apparent' sender, and also
> the actual originator. If it turns out you are the originator,
> download some
> fixes from the internet (ideally on a clean PC) and disconnect from the
> internet until you have cleaned all your machines of the virus. That means
> disconnect your modem, ADSL cable, whatever. There is NO reason why you
> can't clear this worm in one day flat and without infecting a single other
> person... though it would really help if people would apply
> security patches
> etc to Outlook / Internet Explorer etc that prevented auto-runnign scripts
> and so on.
>
> Best regards,
> nij
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
> > Sent: 05 June 2002 05:56
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every
> > evening containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each
> > night it is from a different e-mail address. The e-mails are
> > addressed to my two personal addresses and to me as list owner of
> > this group. So I suspect that some group member or former group
> > member's computer is infected with this worm virus.
> >
> > (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo
> > has antivirus software in place to block that.)
> >
> > You can read all about this virus at:
> >
> >
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...
>
> The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to
> remove if your computer becomes infected. It is one of those
> worms that resides on your computer, searches for e-mail
> addresses and then does mass mailings to those addresses using
> randomly selected files from your computer for the text, itself
> as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly selected
> e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it
> is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can
> only quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.
>
> So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus
> software, keep it turned on and keep your virus definition files
> updated regularly. All of us who are very active on the Internet
> need to protect ourselves and our friends.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>



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How do we know if we have the worm/virus?

Does it execute even if the e-mail and/or attachment is not opened?

Paul
____________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:56 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


  All,

  For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every evening
containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each night it is from a
different e-mail address. The e-mails are addressed to my two personal
addresses and to me as list owner of this group. So I suspect that some
group member or former group member's computer is infected with this worm
virus.

  (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo has
antivirus software in place to block that.)

  You can read all about this virus at:

  http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...

  The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to remove if
your computer becomes infected. It is one of those worms that resides on
your computer, searches for e-mail addresses and then does mass mailings to
those addresses using randomly selected files from your computer for the
text, itself as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly
selected e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it
is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can only
quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.

  So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software, keep
it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All of
us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our
friends.

  Thanks,
  Martin Wesley
  http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html





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I don't know how it works for others, but on my computer (with McAffee
anti virus software) that mail comes through, but the attachment (the
hot thing) does not. The attacment containts the bomb, so I'm safe...
Best,
Ton Guiking

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Paul Roark [mailto:paul.roark@...] 
Verzonden: woensdag 5 juni 2002 16:24
Aan: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


How do we know if we have the worm/virus?

Does it execute even if the e-mail and/or attachment is not opened?

Paul
____________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:56 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


  All,

  For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every evening
containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each night it is from a
different e-mail address. The e-mails are addressed to my two personal
addresses and to me as list owner of this group. So I suspect that some
group member or former group member's computer is infected with this
worm
virus.

  (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo has
antivirus software in place to block that.)

  You can read all about this virus at:

 
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...
ml

  The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to
remove if
your computer becomes infected. It is one of those worms that resides on
your computer, searches for e-mail addresses and then does mass mailings
to
those addresses using randomly selected files from your computer for the
text, itself as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly
selected e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point
it
is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can only
quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.

  So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software,
keep
it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All
of
us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our
friends.

  Thanks,
  Martin Wesley
  http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html





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Martin,

It is impossible to tell where the worm comes from because it mimics or
spoofs addresses. I've had some say that I sent an e-mail to China etc. It
has attacked over one million computers since April 27. My anti-virus
program ( PC Cillin 2002 ) deletes the mail as soon as it arrives and just
leaves a note to advise me. It can't be cleaned but is stopped and deleted
if your program is current, Not to worry.

Barry Schaffer-----I've been hit about 100 or more times at least.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:55 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


> All,
>
> For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every evening
containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each night it is from a
different e-mail address. The e-mails are addressed to my two personal
addresses and to me as list owner of this group. So I suspect that some
group member or former group member's computer is infected with this worm
virus.
>
> (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo has
antivirus software in place to block that.)
>
> You can read all about this virus at:
>
> http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...
>
> The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to remove if
your computer becomes infected. It is one of those worms that resides on
your computer, searches for e-mail addresses and then does mass mailings to
those addresses using randomly selected files from your computer for the
text, itself as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly
selected e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it
is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can only
quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.
>
> So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software, keep
it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All of
us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our
friends.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - Include your full name with your message.
> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
"flames."
> - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
resources on the homepage.

>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

Paul,

If you have up to date virus software and definitions, a virus scan of your
drives would turn it up.

It tries to execute when you open the e-mail but like many people I use the
preview window in Outlook Express, so its appearance in the preview
constitutes opening the e-mail and the attachment tries to run. My software
pops up a box asking if I want to run it or save it to disk. I close this
and delete the e-mail message. Since I have Norton Antivirus installed, the
attachment gets quarantined before the e-mail is accepted and I am not at
risk. Just unnerved and pissed. I will spare you my opinion of the people
who write these things.

Another nice feature with the Norton (and I imagine the other antivirus
packages offer it to) is that you can set it to monitor outgoing e-mail for
viruses. With that enabled you would help prevent one of the worm type
viruses from spreading to other computers if yours became infected.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


> How do we know if we have the worm/virus?
>
> Does it execute even if the e-mail and/or attachment is not opened?
>
> Paul
> ____________________________________

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nij" <nigel@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


> Martin,
>
> I too have been recipient of emails from someone with Klez. The important
> point to note is that, whilst the email may appear to come from different
> users in e.g. Outlook list-view, the _actual_ original sender can often be
> seen inside the Header of the email. In outlook, you can right-click on an
> email (in list mode) and view 'Options...'.

Nij,

I will check the next one that comes in. I had thought this one completely
covered it's trail but if I check a few. If the same sender keeps coming up
that may narrow it down. I have to say I have been reluctant to click
anything on these things other than to get them deleted ASAP.

(snip)
]>
> SO... please to all, don't rush to blame on such an issue, as the virus
does
> like to cause that :(  However, do notify the 'apparent' sender, and also
> the actual originator. If it turns out you are the originator, download
some
> fixes from the internet (ideally on a clean PC) and disconnect from the
> internet until you have cleaned all your machines of the virus. That means
> disconnect your modem, ADSL cable, whatever. There is NO reason why you
> can't clear this worm in one day flat and without infecting a single other
> person... though it would really help if people would apply security
patches
> etc to Outlook / Internet Explorer etc that prevented auto-runnign scripts
> and so on.

Good advice. If your computer is infected, the Symantec site gives you
step-by-step instruction and the software tools to clean your computer for
free.

Thanks,
Martin

At 07:23 AM 6/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>How do we know if we have the worm/virus?
>
>Does it execute even if the e-mail and/or attachment is not opened?
>
>Paul
>____________________________________
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:56 PM
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution
>
>
>  All,
>
>  For the last several days I have received 2 or 3 e-mail every evening
>containing a worm virus known as W32.Klez.H@mm. Each night it is from a
>different e-mail address. The e-mails are addressed to my two personal
>addresses and to me as list owner of this group. So I suspect that some
>group member or former group member's computer is infected with this worm
>virus.
>
>  (The virus is not coming in with messages from the list. Yahoo has
>antivirus software in place to block that.)
>
>  You can read all about this virus at:
>
>  http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.h@...
>
>  The damage it causes in rated as moderate but it is difficult to remove if
>your computer becomes infected. It is one of those worms that resides on
>your computer, searches for e-mail addresses and then does mass mailings to
>those addresses using randomly selected files from your computer for the
>text, itself as an automatically executing attachment, and a randomly
>selected e-mail address from your computer as the sender. At this point it
>is a nuisance as my Norton Anti-virus cannot do a repair but can only
>quarantine the file so I have to delete it manually.
>
>  So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software, keep
>it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All of
>us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our
>friends.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Martin Wesley
>  http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
>
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>  Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
>  Please follow these basic guidelines:
>  - Include your full name with your message.
>  - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
>  - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
>them short.
>  - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
>  - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>"flames."
>  - Complete your Yahoo profile.
>  - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various
>resources on the homepage.
>
>
>
>
>  Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Paul,

My Norton2002 has been blocking it for the past week or so. I get about two
a day. 

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.panoramacamera.us
         or
keyword.com lookaround

[snip]
> >  So everyone please take this as a reminder to use antivirus software, keep
> >it turned on and keep your virus definition files updated regularly. All of
> >us who are very active on the Internet need to protect ourselves and our
> >friends.
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >  Martin Wesley
> >  http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

I don't mind to try anti-virus software again, but I've tried it for 
two non-consecutive years, each time not renewing it because it never 
found anything. My small, very local ISP has, however, short-stopped 
a few infected e-mails on their way to my mailbox. The rest of my 
good fortune is, I think, probably due to my not using Microsoft's 
Outlook Express (I got Eudora because there's good supplementary 
documentation - Adam Engst's VSQ Guide - for it.). Maybe due to my 
using a Mac. Whatever, I think I'll probably also replace Microsoft's 
Internet Explorer, although I like it well enough, with Opera. But 
that's not to say I won't warm up Norton's Anti-Virus software; I 
probably should update Norton Utilities anyway, unless there's now 
something better for a Mac. I'd be glad for any advice or suggestions 
about any of this.

Sam McCandless           samcc@...

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam A. McCandless" <samcc@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Virus/Worm Caution


[snip]

>
> I don't mind to try anti-virus software again, but I've tried it for
> two non-consecutive years, each time not renewing it because it never
> found anything. My small, very local ISP has, however, short-stopped
> a few infected e-mails on their way to my mailbox. The rest of my
> good fortune is, I think, probably due to my not using Microsoft's
> Outlook Express (I got Eudora because there's good supplementary
> documentation - Adam Engst's VSQ Guide - for it.). Maybe due to my
> using a Mac. Whatever, I think I'll probably also replace Microsoft's
> Internet Explorer, although I like it well enough, with Opera. But
> that's not to say I won't warm up Norton's Anti-Virus software; I
> probably should update Norton Utilities anyway, unless there's now
> something better for a Mac. I'd be glad for any advice or suggestions
> about any of this.
>
> Sam McCandless

Sam,

You are definitely in the low risk category. Since there are so many more
Windows machines than Macs they and their common software are mostly
targeted. Like you I went for years without ever having my virus detection
software find anything but in the last couple of years of using it to
monitor my e-mail has saved me (and everyone I send e-mail to) from being
infected.

I guess it is like health insurance. You pay for it and hope you never need
it.

I have no idea what the best package is for the Mac but I recommend you have
something running.

Martin

>Sam,
>
>You are definitely in the low risk category. Since there are so many more
>Windows machines than Macs they and their common software are mostly
>targeted. Like you I went for years without ever having my virus detection
>software find anything but in the last couple of years of using it to
>monitor my e-mail has saved me (and everyone I send e-mail to) from being
>infected.
>
>I guess it is like health insurance. You pay for it and hope you never need
>it.
>
>I have no idea what the best package is for the Mac but I recommend you have
>something running.
>
>Martin

Thanks Martin. I'll do it.

Sam McCandless           samcc@...