Digital BW, The Print

James,

Is there a problem with the output? Missing lines in the nozzle check? I
have let one my bottles run empty a couple of times and sucked air into the
lines. This did not effect the printer output at all and after I refilled
the bottles and ran a few prints the bubbles cleared out. Run it and see how
it goes.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "James Haney" <jhaney@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>;
<piezography3000@yahoogroups.com>; <support@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] CIS problems


>
>
> I was having problems with my printer and based upon several threads
on-line
> with users with similar configurations I decided it was time to get some
new
> cartridges for my CIS and re-prime the system.
>
> However, for some reason, neither my Black nor my Yellow line seem to be
> able to hold a vacuum and do not draw ink into the cartridges.
>
> There is currently air in both lines.
>
> What do I do now?
>
> James Haney
> jhaney@...
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> <<<<
> Is there a problem with the output? Missing lines in the nozzle check? I
> have let one my bottles run empty a couple of times and sucked air into the
> lines. This did not effect the printer output at all and after I refilled
> the bottles and ran a few prints the bubbles cleared out. Run it and see how
> it goes.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
     >>>>>


That¹s just it, I get absolutely nothing when I print. The cartridges will
not create a vacuum so no ink is getting in there to make a print. There is
no output, no ability to do a nozzle check. The ink lines have air bubbles
in them and I can¹t draw ink into the cartridge.

James
jhaney@...


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., James Haney <jhaney@m...> 
wrote:

> 
> That¹s just it, I get absolutely nothing when I print. The 
cartridges will
> not create a vacuum so no ink is getting in there to make a print. 
There is
> no output, no ability to do a nozzle check. The ink lines have air 
bubbles
> in them and I can¹t draw ink into the cartridge.
> 
> James
> jhaney@m...
> 

Although I've had more than my share of CIS problems, I've never had 
to correct this problem. With that as a disclaimer, I'm going to 
recomend that you explore the MIS site, where they give instructions 
on how to correct this in a CFS unit- I think they would be similar 
enough.

I don't know the exact page but if you hunt around enough in the CFS 
instructions, maybe FAQ's on the CFS, somewhere they describe how to 
cure a similar problem.

Basically, the idea as I understand it is to get some of MIS "bottom 
fill adapters" and stick them on a 10-60 cc syringe. Then you suck ink 
out of the bottom of the offending color/cart. It starts coming out 
foamy, or full of air bubbles. You eject the full syringe back into 
the bottle so you waste little ink, and repeat the sucking out of ink, 
then ejecting into bottle, etc. When the ink gets sucked out with no 
bubbles any longer, MIS contends about ten fills of a 10cc syringe, 
you put the cart back in and away you go.

At least I think that's it, from memory. Check out the site, worth a 
shot anyway.
Jim H.

James,

As Jim says this is a new one. I am curious as to what method you used to
fill the new CIS carts? Is it possible the old tubing no longer fits tightly
on the inlet nipples on the cartridges?

I recently took apart and old 1200 CIS that I wasn't using and cleaned it
up. I noticed that the tubing had gotten a bit stiffer with age and that the
ends I pulled off the cartridges stayed a flared. The tubing was a bit
sludged up too when I rinsed it out. I suspect that in addition to replacing
the CIS carts occasionally it may be advisable to replace the tubing as
well. It seems like you might need to change everything but the support arm
and the bottles.

In your case if the tubing is loose where it connects to the cartridges you
might try gluing the tubing to the cartridge attachment points with silicon
caulking or something more permanent.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS problems


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., James Haney <jhaney@m...>
wrote:

>
> That\ufffds just it, I get absolutely nothing when I print. The
cartridges will
> not create a vacuum so no ink is getting in there to make a print.
There is
> no output, no ability to do a nozzle check. The ink lines have air
bubbles
> in them and I can\ufffdt draw ink into the cartridge.
>
> James
> jhaney@m...
>

Although I've had more than my share of CIS problems, I've never had
to correct this problem. With that as a disclaimer, I'm going to
recomend that you explore the MIS site, where they give instructions
on how to correct this in a CFS unit- I think they would be similar
enough.

I don't know the exact page but if you hunt around enough in the CFS
instructions, maybe FAQ's on the CFS, somewhere they describe how to
cure a similar problem.

Basically, the idea as I understand it is to get some of MIS "bottom
fill adapters" and stick them on a 10-60 cc syringe. Then you suck ink
out of the bottom of the offending color/cart. It starts coming out
foamy, or full of air bubbles. You eject the full syringe back into
the bottle so you waste little ink, and repeat the sucking out of ink,
then ejecting into bottle, etc. When the ink gets sucked out with no
bubbles any longer, MIS contends about ten fills of a 10cc syringe,
you put the cart back in and away you go.

At least I think that's it, from memory. Check out the site, worth a
shot anyway.
Jim H.



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To those following this thread, I determined the source of the problem with
the very prompt help from ³help@...².


Simple answer: Read the freaking manual.

It was so long ago when I initially installed my CIS that I forgot to prime
the system before seating the sealed carts in the print head. By seating the
carts I punctured the (dry) seal and thereby cannot get a good vacuum.
Tonight I will try taping up the carts and trying again, otherwise I have
another set of unused carts that I can use.

Thanks for all of your input.

James Haney





> 
> From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:52:35 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS problems
> 

> James,
> 
> As Jim says this is a new one. I am curious as to what method you used to
> fill the new CIS carts? Is it possible the old tubing no longer fits tightly
> on the inlet nipples on the cartridges?
> 
> I recently took apart and old 1200 CIS that I wasn't using and cleaned it
> up. I noticed that the tubing had gotten a bit stiffer with age and that the
> ends I pulled off the cartridges stayed a flared. The tubing was a bit
> sludged up too when I rinsed it out. I suspect that in addition to replacing
> the CIS carts occasionally it may be advisable to replace the tubing as
> well. It seems like you might need to change everything but the support arm
> and the bottles.
> 
> In your case if the tubing is loose where it connects to the cartridges you
> might try gluing the tubing to the cartridge attachment points with silicon
> caulking or something more permanent.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jimhayes361" <jimhayes@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS problems
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., James Haney <jhaney@m...>
> wrote:
> 
>> >
>> > That¹s just it, I get absolutely nothing when I print. The
> cartridges will
>> > not create a vacuum so no ink is getting in there to make a print.
> There is
>> > no output, no ability to do a nozzle check. The ink lines have air
> bubbles
>> > in them and I can¹t draw ink into the cartridge.
>> >
>> > James
>> > jhaney@m...
>> >
> 
> Although I've had more than my share of CIS problems, I've never had
> to correct this problem. With that as a disclaimer, I'm going to
> recomend that you explore the MIS site, where they give instructions
> on how to correct this in a CFS unit- I think they would be similar
> enough.
> 
> I don't know the exact page but if you hunt around enough in the CFS
> instructions, maybe FAQ's on the CFS, somewhere they describe how to
> cure a similar problem.
> 
> Basically, the idea as I understand it is to get some of MIS "bottom
> fill adapters" and stick them on a 10-60 cc syringe. Then you suck ink
> out of the bottom of the offending color/cart. It starts coming out
> foamy, or full of air bubbles. You eject the full syringe back into
> the bottle so you waste little ink, and repeat the sucking out of ink,
> then ejecting into bottle, etc. When the ink gets sucked out with no
> bubbles any longer, MIS contends about ten fills of a 10cc syringe,
> you put the cart back in and away you go.
> 
> At least I think that's it, from memory. Check out the site, worth a
> shot anyway.
> Jim H.
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
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> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
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> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
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