Digital BW, The Print

Hey gang -

I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints each) 
and I'm addicted! Since this group is unlimited in the materials and 
methods that can be used, I expect that the variation would be even 
more interesting.

Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the groups 
life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!

Shaun Granleese

Count me in.

Dave

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> Hey gang -
> 
> I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints 
each) 
> and I'm addicted! Since this group is unlimited in the materials 
and 
> methods that can be used, I expect that the variation would be 
even 
> more interesting.
> 
> Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the 
groups 

> life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> 
> Shaun Granleese

Shaun,

Antonis and I figured this would come up sooner or later and had been 
thinking about something later this fall.

However, if you want to go for it by all means do. (For myself am 
hoping to hear from Jason regarding some of the logistical problems 
he had to go through.)

Some thoughts:

The purpose of the group is to explore all methods of getting a B&W 
image off a file and onto a piece of paper. The membership is rather 
inkjet heavy or at least it appears so from the posts. My idea was to 
have a print exchange but reserve a certain number of slots for 
various types of media. For a group of 30 I was thinking something 
like:

12 to 15 - pigment Quadra tones
5 - dye base Quadra tones
5 - CYMK ink set monochrome prints
5 - other

These numbers are off the top of my head and while it would be really 
great if someone wanted to send 30 platinum prints from a digital 
contact neg, 30 LightJet prints, 30 silver prints from a digital 
negative, I am not holding my breath either. Who knows, perhaps there 
is a kind soul out their.

My thought was to call for volunteers who have to choose a category. 
If some of the categories do not fill up by a certain date and there 
are surpluses in other categories then expand some categories and 
shrink others.

The real potential here is to get a look at a wide range of media so 
I would like to see that happen.

BOTTOM LINE: WHOEVER IS BOLD AND KIND ENOUGH TO RUN A PRINT EXCHANGE 
GETS TO SET THE RULES!

Martin Wesley



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> Hey gang -
> 
> I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints each) 
> and I'm addicted! Since this group is unlimited in the materials 
and 

> methods that can be used, I expect that the variation would be even 
> more interesting.
> 
> Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the groups 
> life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> 
> Shaun Granleese

Hi, Shuan,

Count me in - and thanks for taking the initiative!

Cheers,
James Lerager
JLerager@...


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> Hey gang -
> 
> I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints 
each) 
> and I'm addicted! Since this group is unlimited in the materials 
and 
> methods that can be used, I expect that the variation would be 
even 
> more interesting.
> 
> Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the 
groups 

> life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> 
> Shaun Granleese

Martin - 

those are some terrific extra details; I've made an assumption that, 
by definition, this group would produce a more diverse exchange than 
the PiezoBW group. I'll think on this though.

I've been part of two exchanges already (my wife was actually the 
participant in the second one) and from what I've seen, the best of 
intentions to participate don't seem to translate into 100% arrival 
of prints at the coordinators place (I was an "alternate" on Siobhan 
McClory's exchange and got a spot for this reason). So I guess what 
I'm saying is that too narrow a definition may well explode anyway 
as folks have to defer at the last minute.

Actually I'd be happy to share the burdon with someone if there is a 
clear way to cut the job into pieces.

Anyone interested in sending something a little more unusual into 
the exchange? 

Shaun Granleese



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Shaun,
> 
> Antonis and I figured this would come up sooner or later and had 
been 
> thinking about something later this fall.
> 
> However, if you want to go for it by all means do. (For myself am 
> hoping to hear from Jason regarding some of the logistical 
problems 
> he had to go through.)
> 
> Some thoughts:
> 
> The purpose of the group is to explore all methods of getting a 
B&W 
> image off a file and onto a piece of paper. The membership is 
rather 
> inkjet heavy or at least it appears so from the posts. My idea was 
to 
> have a print exchange but reserve a certain number of slots for 
> various types of media. For a group of 30 I was thinking something 
> like:
> 
> 12 to 15 - pigment Quadra tones
> 5 - dye base Quadra tones
> 5 - CYMK ink set monochrome prints
> 5 - other
> 
> These numbers are off the top of my head and while it would be 
really 
> great if someone wanted to send 30 platinum prints from a digital 
> contact neg, 30 LightJet prints, 30 silver prints from a digital 
> negative, I am not holding my breath either. Who knows, perhaps 
there 
> is a kind soul out their.
> 
> My thought was to call for volunteers who have to choose a 
category. 
> If some of the categories do not fill up by a certain date and 
there 
> are surpluses in other categories then expand some categories and 
> shrink others.
> 
> The real potential here is to get a look at a wide range of media 
so 
> I would like to see that happen.
> 
> BOTTOM LINE: WHOEVER IS BOLD AND KIND ENOUGH TO RUN A PRINT 
EXCHANGE 
> GETS TO SET THE RULES!
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> > Hey gang -
> > 
> > I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints 
each) 
> > and I'm addicted! Since this group is unlimited in the materials 
> and 
> > methods that can be used, I expect that the variation would be 
even 
> > more interesting.
> > 
> > Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the 
groups 

> > life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> > 
> > Shaun Granleese

Shaun,

you have become the defacto leader in this! When Martin and I discussed it 
we thought it was too early for the list to have enough momentum. We didn't 
expect over 300 people in a month. In fact, today is exactly the 30-day mark.

Since you brought it up first, I can only happily offer my moderator blessings 
(!) and my desire to participate (if there is room, that is!). I "only" have Piezo to 
offer, no exotic digital variant, so in the interest of allowing other forms of 
printing to be shown I could be a back up for one of the piezo positions - if 
that's how you decide to run this.

Before you go too far, there will be a need to decide on size, or at least a size 
"not to exceed". For practical reasons 8.5x11 or metric equivalent makes 
transport easier, but if there is a majority that wants to set a larger maximum, 
you should explore it now.

Also, you may consider a small and a large group (10 and 30?) to allow for 
those who for various reasons would find 30 too many copies to make.

And by all means, let's all ASK JASON first !!!  <BG>

Antonis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> Martin - 
> 
> those are some terrific extra details; I've made an assumption that, 
> by definition, this group would produce a more diverse exchange than 
> the PiezoBW group. I'll think on this though.

......

Antonis - no good deed goes unpunished! :-)

My experiences so far suggest a few basic guidelines:

- insert your prints/info sheets into individial print sleeves, this 
makes the sort easier and quicker and keeps your prints in better 
shape
- If you're in the US, UPS will let you set up an account via their 
web site with to/from label printing all charged to your credit card
- I'll give everyone a good lead time but please start printing 
ahead of time so you don't have to quit the exchange at the deadline
- I'll send email reminders/confirmations instead of just posting to 
the group
- I'll wait a day or two to see what everyone is telling me they can 
contribute before locking down specific media "groups", I don't 
think it makes sense to make the process super long; let's see 
though.
- 8.5X11 or A4 makes things so much easier but if everyone want 
13X19 (gulp) it is possible! I imagine this would be a smaller group 
though.

Off list emails for registration please and for everyones info, I 
have 10 participants with some variety in inkjet printing methods 
already interested after only 12 hours!

I'm in Vancouver, Canada but my plan is to designate my office in 
Washington State the ship to/from location to minimise border 
transit - of course it would be nice to have y'all walk a mile in my 
shoes ;-)

Best,

Shaun Granleese




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Antonis Ricos" 
<antonisphoto@y...> wrote:
> Shaun,
> 
> you have become the defacto leader in this! When Martin and I 
discussed it 
> we thought it was too early for the list to have enough momentum. 
We didn't 
> expect over 300 people in a month. In fact, today is exactly the 
30-day mark.
> 
> Since you brought it up first, I can only happily offer my 
moderator blessings 
> (!) and my desire to participate (if there is room, that is!). 
I "only" have Piezo to 
> offer, no exotic digital variant, so in the interest of allowing 
other forms of 
> printing to be shown I could be a back up for one of the piezo 
positions - if 
> that's how you decide to run this.
> 
> Before you go too far, there will be a need to decide on size, or 
at least a size 
> "not to exceed". For practical reasons 8.5x11 or metric equivalent 
makes 
> transport easier, but if there is a majority that wants to set a 
larger maximum, 
> you should explore it now.
> 
> Also, you may consider a small and a large group (10 and 30?) to 
allow for 
> those who for various reasons would find 30 too many copies to 
make.
> 
> And by all means, let's all ASK JASON first !!!  <BG>
> 
> Antonis
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> > Martin - 
> > 
> > those are some terrific extra details; I've made an assumption 
that, 
> > by definition, this group would produce a more diverse exchange 
than 

> > the PiezoBW group. I'll think on this though.
> 
> ......

I'm going to type up a few thoughts today after I get back from lunch. Look
for a post from me later this afternoon...

-Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonis Ricos [mailto:antonisphoto@...]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: A Print Exchange?


And by all means, let's all ASK JASON first !!!  <BG>

Antonis

I'd like to participate.

 > 
> > Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the 
> groups 
> > life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> > 
> > Shaun Granleese

Sorry if I'm late, but I just signed up to the list. Count me in! I'm 
currently waiting for prints from a similar project in the epson 
leben list, but B&W is what I'm after.

Alex Pardi

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:

> Hey gang -
> 
> I've now taken part in two PiezoBW exchanges (over 30 prints each) 
> and I'm addicted! <snip> 
> Anyone think there's room for an exchange this early in the groups 
> life? I would coordinate if it is the will of the people!
> 
> Shaun Granleese