Digital BW, The Print

Tim, 
I visited your site at your invitation and like your work.  Very nice quiet images and well done web gallery.  

There have been many messages/notes on these papers written over at the Piezo3000 list.  Go over there and check back over the last few months for comments.  Just use the "search" feature of the list and type in your paper names and you will get comments and profiles to use etc...

I think any of the Hahnemuhle papers would work fine for your images.  I have never used the cotton canvases so cannot comment on them.  

If I were limited to only one paper for fine art prints (from your list) I would choose the Torchon 285.  It is not as smooth as Turner 300 but has a "handmade paper" look to it and print qualities I find very attractive.  Albrecht Durer and Hahnemule 230 have a pronounced "watercolor paper" texture which is very apparent in a print.  Torchon texture is subtle and "disappears" in the image.  At least on all of my images. 

Turner has a smooth surface that also has just a very fine coating texture that aids in hiding any "digital print" look.   A little texture is a fine thing when doing the inkjet prints.  Some papers are too smooth in my opinion.  

Good luck and do go read the archives. 

Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tyork@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:09 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] re:papers


  Has anyone on this list used any of these papers? I would appreciate 
  knowing what inks you used with them and how you made out.

  1.Albrecht Durer 210
  2.Hahnemuhle 230
  3.Torchon 285
  4.Turner 300
  5.Hahnemuhle 100% cotton canvas 580
  6.Hahnemuhle cotton/poly canvas 575

  I am considering using MIS or Generations inks with my 1280. Piezo is 
  also a possibility but cost is also a factor. I am an amateur 
  photographer and this is a hobby. If I could impose a little further, 
  my url is www.portraitsofnature.net, you can see from the images on 
  it the kind of images I will be printing. If any of you have 
  recommendations, based on the type of photography I do, regarding 
  inks and paper, please let me know. Thank you.

  Regards


  Tim


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Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going to 
buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
 I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe in a 
couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones from 
color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.

Tim










--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Tim, 
> I visited your site at your invitation and like your work.  Very 
nice quiet images and well done web gallery.  
> 
> There have been many messages/notes on these papers written over at 
the Piezo3000 list.  Go over there and check back over the last few 
months for comments.  Just use the "search" feature of the list and 
type in your paper names and you will get comments and profiles to 
use etc...
> 
> I think any of the Hahnemuhle papers would work fine for your 
images.  I have never used the cotton canvases so cannot comment on 
them.  
> 
> If I were limited to only one paper for fine art prints (from your 
list) I would choose the Torchon 285.  It is not as smooth as Turner 
300 but has a "handmade paper" look to it and print qualities I find 
very attractive.  Albrecht Durer and Hahnemule 230 have a 
pronounced "watercolor paper" texture which is very apparent in a 
print.  Torchon texture is subtle and "disappears" in the image.  At 
least on all of my images. 
> 
> Turner has a smooth surface that also has just a very fine coating 
texture that aids in hiding any "digital print" look.   A little 
texture is a fine thing when doing the inkjet prints.  Some papers 
are too smooth in my opinion.  
> 
> Good luck and do go read the archives. 
> 
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: tyork@a... 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:09 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] re:papers
> 
> 
>   Has anyone on this list used any of these papers? I would 
appreciate 
>   knowing what inks you used with them and how you made out.
> 
>   1.Albrecht Durer 210
>   2.Hahnemuhle 230
>   3.Torchon 285
>   4.Turner 300
>   5.Hahnemuhle 100% cotton canvas 580
>   6.Hahnemuhle cotton/poly canvas 575
> 
>   I am considering using MIS or Generations inks with my 1280. 
Piezo is 
>   also a possibility but cost is also a factor. I am an amateur 
>   photographer and this is a hobby. If I could impose a little 
further, 
>   my url is www.portraitsofnature.net, you can see from the images 
on 
>   it the kind of images I will be printing. If any of you have 
>   recommendations, based on the type of photography I do, regarding 
>   inks and paper, please let me know. Thank you.
> 
>   Regards
> 
> 
>   Tim
> 
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Tim,

I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set and 
driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and duotone curves?

I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts (sister 
magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.

http://www.cameraarts.com/
http://www.viewcamera.com/

If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. I 
believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will seriously dig 
through my back issues.

You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
Landscape site and his post on duotones:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
> printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
> toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
> right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
> Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going to 
> buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
>  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe in 
a 
> couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones from 
> color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
> just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
((snip)

Tim, 
I use PiezoBW inks in an 1160 with CIS.  I have a 1200 with ColorPiezo and CIS but I am waiting for new profiles for the new yellow.

In your situation, you may want to "save money in the long run" by buying a CIS for about $120 and a set of ColorPiezo pigment inks for another $120 (for 6  4 ounce bottles).  That is the best deal on color pigment inks I know of and it comes with free profiles to use with the Epson driver.  Outstanding deal I think.  Much better/cheaper in the long run than Epson carts.  And pigmented inks should last much longer etc...etc...

If you want more info on the inks, just go to Inkjetmall.com where there is a complete comparison to other inks. 

Good Luck, 
Steadman

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tyork@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tim York: re:papers


  Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
  printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
  toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
  right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
  Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going to 
  buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe in a 
  couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones from 
  color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
  just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.

  Tim










  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
  <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
  > Tim, 
  > I visited your site at your invitation and like your work.  Very 
  nice quiet images and well done web gallery.  
  > 
  > There have been many messages/notes on these papers written over at 
  the Piezo3000 list.  Go over there and check back over the last few 
  months for comments.  Just use the "search" feature of the list and 
  type in your paper names and you will get comments and profiles to 
  use etc...
  > 
  > I think any of the Hahnemuhle papers would work fine for your 
  images.  I have never used the cotton canvases so cannot comment on 
  them.  
  > 
  > If I were limited to only one paper for fine art prints (from your 
  list) I would choose the Torchon 285.  It is not as smooth as Turner 
  300 but has a "handmade paper" look to it and print qualities I find 
  very attractive.  Albrecht Durer and Hahnemule 230 have a 
  pronounced "watercolor paper" texture which is very apparent in a 
  print.  Torchon texture is subtle and "disappears" in the image.  At 
  least on all of my images. 
  > 
  > Turner has a smooth surface that also has just a very fine coating 
  texture that aids in hiding any "digital print" look.   A little 
  texture is a fine thing when doing the inkjet prints.  Some papers 
  are too smooth in my opinion.  
  > 
  > Good luck and do go read the archives. 
  > 
  > Steadman
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: tyork@a... 
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
  >   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:09 PM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] re:papers
  > 
  > 
  >   Has anyone on this list used any of these papers? I would 
  appreciate 
  >   knowing what inks you used with them and how you made out.
  > 
  >   1.Albrecht Durer 210
  >   2.Hahnemuhle 230
  >   3.Torchon 285
  >   4.Turner 300
  >   5.Hahnemuhle 100% cotton canvas 580
  >   6.Hahnemuhle cotton/poly canvas 575
  > 
  >   I am considering using MIS or Generations inks with my 1280. 
  Piezo is 
  >   also a possibility but cost is also a factor. I am an amateur 
  >   photographer and this is a hobby. If I could impose a little 
  further, 
  >   my url is www.portraitsofnature.net, you can see from the images 
  on 
  >   it the kind of images I will be printing. If any of you have 
  >   recommendations, based on the type of photography I do, regarding 
  >   inks and paper, please let me know. Thank you.
  > 
  >   Regards
  > 
  > 
  >   Tim
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Steadman,

Have you tried a duotone with the Piezo color inks? If you did, what 
did you think of the results?

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Tim, 
> I use PiezoBW inks in an 1160 with CIS.  I have a 1200 with 
ColorPiezo and CIS but I am waiting for new profiles for the new 
yellow.
> 
> In your situation, you may want to "save money in the long run" by 
buying a CIS for about $120 and a set of ColorPiezo pigment inks for 
another $120 (for 6  4 ounce bottles).  That is the best deal on 
color pigment inks I know of and it comes with free profiles to use 
with the Epson driver.  Outstanding deal I think.  Much 
better/cheaper in the long run than Epson carts.  And pigmented inks 
should last much longer etc...etc...
> 
> If you want more info on the inks, just go to Inkjetmall.com where 
there is a complete comparison to other inks. 
> 
> Good Luck, 
> Steadman
(snip previous)

Hi Martin,

Yes, I am using the Epson inks for now until I decide which way to go 
re: inks. I am using a modified Michael Reichman formula that he has 
on his site. As you know the 1280 prints blue, so with this duotone 
recipe it was too blue to my liking, although, both my wife and 
daughter liked it better then the more neutral one I use. All I did 
was back off a little on the cyan ( I think )in the printer drivers 
like a -5. You guys are much more knowledgeable then I am about 
printing. I am just getting started. I couldn't do much printing 
because I didn't have a good scanner. That has been resolved with my 
Canon 4000dpi film scanner. Initially my paper choice had been made, 
EAM, until the green issue raised it's head. Martin this is a great 
list, you and Antonis are to be congratulated.

Tim











--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set and 
> driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and duotone 
curves?
> 
> I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts (sister 
> magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> 
> http://www.cameraarts.com/
> http://www.viewcamera.com/
> 
> If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. I 
> believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will seriously 
dig 
> through my back issues.
> 
> You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
> > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
> > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
> > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
> > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going 
to 
> > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
> >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe 
in 
> a 
> > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones 
from 

> > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
> > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> ((snip)

Martin,

I forgot to mention If you could find that article on duotones I 
would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as i"m sure a 
lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.

Tim






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set and 
> driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and duotone 
curves?
> 
> I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts (sister 
> magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> 
> http://www.cameraarts.com/
> http://www.viewcamera.com/
> 
> If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. I 
> believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will seriously 
dig 
> through my back issues.
> 
> You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> 
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
> > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
> > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
> > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
> > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going 
to 
> > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
> >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe 
in 
> a 
> > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones 
from 

> > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
> > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> ((snip)

Thanks Steadman, Piezocolor along with the new MIS inks and 
Generations are the 3 I'm most interested in. I would be very 
interested in how you made out with duotoned selenium piezo color 
prints ( what a mouth full ). Thanks again for all your help and 
those kind words about my images and site.

Tim







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Tim, 
> I use PiezoBW inks in an 1160 with CIS.  I have a 1200 with 
ColorPiezo and CIS but I am waiting for new profiles for the new 
yellow.
> 
> In your situation, you may want to "save money in the long run" by 
buying a CIS for about $120 and a set of ColorPiezo pigment inks for 
another $120 (for 6  4 ounce bottles).  That is the best deal on 
color pigment inks I know of and it comes with free profiles to use 
with the Epson driver.  Outstanding deal I think.  Much 
better/cheaper in the long run than Epson carts.  And pigmented inks 
should last much longer etc...etc...
> 
> If you want more info on the inks, just go to Inkjetmall.com where 
there is a complete comparison to other inks. 
> 
> Good Luck, 
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: tyork@a... 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:52 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tim York: re:papers
> 
> 
>   Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with what 
>   printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a selenium-
>   toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd printer 
>   right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor a 
>   Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm going 
to 
>   buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. Haha.
>   I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So maybe 
in a 
>   couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones 
from 
>   color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so it 
>   just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> 
>   Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
>   <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
>   > Tim, 
>   > I visited your site at your invitation and like your work.  
Very 
>   nice quiet images and well done web gallery.  
>   > 
>   > There have been many messages/notes on these papers written 
over at 
>   the Piezo3000 list.  Go over there and check back over the last 
few 
>   months for comments.  Just use the "search" feature of the list 
and 
>   type in your paper names and you will get comments and profiles 
to 
>   use etc...
>   > 
>   > I think any of the Hahnemuhle papers would work fine for your 
>   images.  I have never used the cotton canvases so cannot comment 
on 
>   them.  
>   > 
>   > If I were limited to only one paper for fine art prints (from 
your 
>   list) I would choose the Torchon 285.  It is not as smooth as 
Turner 
>   300 but has a "handmade paper" look to it and print qualities I 
find 
>   very attractive.  Albrecht Durer and Hahnemule 230 have a 
>   pronounced "watercolor paper" texture which is very apparent in a 
>   print.  Torchon texture is subtle and "disappears" in the image.  
At 
>   least on all of my images. 
>   > 
>   > Turner has a smooth surface that also has just a very fine 
coating 
>   texture that aids in hiding any "digital print" look.   A little 
>   texture is a fine thing when doing the inkjet prints.  Some 
papers 
>   are too smooth in my opinion.  
>   > 
>   > Good luck and do go read the archives. 
>   > 
>   > Steadman
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: tyork@a... 
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:09 PM
>   >   Subject: [Digital BW] re:papers
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Has anyone on this list used any of these papers? I would 
>   appreciate 
>   >   knowing what inks you used with them and how you made out.
>   > 
>   >   1.Albrecht Durer 210
>   >   2.Hahnemuhle 230
>   >   3.Torchon 285
>   >   4.Turner 300
>   >   5.Hahnemuhle 100% cotton canvas 580
>   >   6.Hahnemuhle cotton/poly canvas 575
>   > 
>   >   I am considering using MIS or Generations inks with my 1280. 
>   Piezo is 
>   >   also a possibility but cost is also a factor. I am an amateur 
>   >   photographer and this is a hobby. If I could impose a little 
>   further, 
>   >   my url is www.portraitsofnature.net, you can see from the 
images 
>   on 
>   >   it the kind of images I will be printing. If any of you have 
>   >   recommendations, based on the type of photography I do, 
regarding 
>   >   inks and paper, please let me know. Thank you.
>   > 
>   >   Regards
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Tim
>   > 
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Tim,

I will start digging through the stacks. I like to save all my photo 
magazines for times like this but have no good filing system. I have 
promised Steadman also so I guess I better get to it.

If anyone out there remembers the article, date, etc. please let me 
know.

We would need to get the publisher's permission to post it, which I 
can ask for. However, getting a copy would be the best as it has many 
images in color showing the different tones he achieved.

I think that this is a technique that is over looked. It also has 
great importance for new photographers who want to explore B&W but 
may not have the resources to add extra printers/inks to their 
equipment list or send their work out for Lightjet output. It should 
also be printer independent. Epson has dominated the art print area 
with good reason but the duotone method should be usable with all 
brands.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> I forgot to mention If you could find that article on duotones I 
> would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as i"m sure 
a 
> lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set and 
> > driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and duotone 
> curves?
> > 
> > I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> > Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts (sister 
> > magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> > 
> > http://www.cameraarts.com/
> > http://www.viewcamera.com/
> > 
> > If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. I 
> > believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will seriously 
> dig 
> > through my back issues.
> > 
> > You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> > Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> > 
> > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with 
what 
> > > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a 
selenium-
> > > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd 
printer 
> > > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" monitor 
a 
> > > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm 
going 
> to 
> > > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. 
Haha.
> > >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So 
maybe 
> in 
> > a 
> > > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using duotones 
> from 
> > > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper so 
it 

> > > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> > > 
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > ((snip)

Tim, Steadman,

I found the John Paul Caponigro article entitled: Black and White in 
Color" in the March/April issue of View Camera. If you call 800-894-
8439 you can order a back issue.

He discusses most of the options for digital B&W output and then 
discusses in general the use of Levels on an adjustment layer to 
create a neutral or toned B&W print using any color ink set. NO 
specific formulas or workflows, just general prodedural concepts with 
about 10 color illustrations and example prints.

He has a great website at http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/

I will be interested to hear of your results in this direction.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> I will start digging through the stacks. I like to save all my 
photo 
> magazines for times like this but have no good filing system. I 
have 
> promised Steadman also so I guess I better get to it.
> 
> If anyone out there remembers the article, date, etc. please let me 
> know.
> 
> We would need to get the publisher's permission to post it, which I 
> can ask for. However, getting a copy would be the best as it has 
many 
> images in color showing the different tones he achieved.
> 
> I think that this is a technique that is over looked. It also has 
> great importance for new photographers who want to explore B&W but 
> may not have the resources to add extra printers/inks to their 
> equipment list or send their work out for Lightjet output. It 
should 
> also be printer independent. Epson has dominated the art print area 
> with good reason but the duotone method should be usable with all 
> brands.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > Martin,
> > 
> > I forgot to mention If you could find that article on duotones I 
> > would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as i"m 
sure 
> a 
> > lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > > Tim,
> > > 
> > > I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set 
and 
> > > driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and duotone 
> > curves?
> > > 
> > > I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> > > Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts 
(sister 
> > > magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> > > 
> > > http://www.cameraarts.com/
> > > http://www.viewcamera.com/
> > > 
> > > If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. I 
> > > believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will 
seriously 
> > dig 
> > > through my back issues.
> > > 
> > > You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> > > Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> > > 
> > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with 
> what 
> > > > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a 
> selenium-
> > > > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd 
> printer 
> > > > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" 
monitor 
> a 
> > > > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm 
> going 
> > to 
> > > > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. 
> Haha.
> > > >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So 
> maybe 
> > in 
> > > a 
> > > > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using 
duotones 
> > from 
> > > > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper 
so 

> it 
> > > > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your help.
> > > > 
> > > > Tim
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > ((snip)

Hi Martin,
Have just e-mailed them about the article. Will let you know response.

Tim












--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim, Steadman,
> 
> I found the John Paul Caponigro article entitled: Black and White 
in 
> Color" in the March/April issue of View Camera. If you call 800-894-
> 8439 you can order a back issue.
> 
> He discusses most of the options for digital B&W output and then 
> discusses in general the use of Levels on an adjustment layer to 
> create a neutral or toned B&W print using any color ink set. NO 
> specific formulas or workflows, just general prodedural concepts 
with 
> about 10 color illustrations and example prints.
> 
> He has a great website at http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/
> 
> I will be interested to hear of your results in this direction.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > I will start digging through the stacks. I like to save all my 
> photo 
> > magazines for times like this but have no good filing system. I 
> have 
> > promised Steadman also so I guess I better get to it.
> > 
> > If anyone out there remembers the article, date, etc. please let 
me 
> > know.
> > 
> > We would need to get the publisher's permission to post it, which 
I 
> > can ask for. However, getting a copy would be the best as it has 
> many 
> > images in color showing the different tones he achieved.
> > 
> > I think that this is a technique that is over looked. It also has 
> > great importance for new photographers who want to explore B&W 
but 
> > may not have the resources to add extra printers/inks to their 
> > equipment list or send their work out for Lightjet output. It 
> should 
> > also be printer independent. Epson has dominated the art print 
area 
> > with good reason but the duotone method should be usable with all 
> > brands.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > Martin,
> > > 
> > > I forgot to mention If you could find that article on duotones 
I 
> > > would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as i"m 
> sure 
> > a 
> > > lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.
> > > 
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > > > Tim,
> > > > 
> > > > I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set 
> and 
> > > > driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and 
duotone 
> > > curves?
> > > > 
> > > > I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> > > > Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts 
> (sister 
> > > > magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.cameraarts.com/
> > > > http://www.viewcamera.com/
> > > > 
> > > > If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. 
I 
> > > > believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will 
> seriously 
> > > dig 
> > > > through my back issues.
> > > > 
> > > > You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> > > > Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with 
> > what 
> > > > > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a 
> > selenium-
> > > > > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd 
> > printer 
> > > > > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" 
> monitor 
> > a 
> > > > > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm 
> > going 
> > > to 
> > > > > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. 
> > Haha.
> > > > >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So 
> > maybe 
> > > in 
> > > > a 
> > > > > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using 
> duotones 
> > > from 
> > > > > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper 
> so 
> > it 
> > > > > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your 
help.

> > > > > 
> > > > > Tim
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > ((snip)

Martin, 

As I mentioned I e-mailed View Camera but they didn't know anything 
about the article. I'm not sure where to go now. I read Allen's 
comment to you but don't have the book. Oh well, C'est la vie.

Tim














--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> Tim, Steadman,
> 
> I found the John Paul Caponigro article entitled: Black and White 
in 
> Color" in the March/April issue of View Camera. If you call 800-894-
> 8439 you can order a back issue.
> 
> He discusses most of the options for digital B&W output and then 
> discusses in general the use of Levels on an adjustment layer to 
> create a neutral or toned B&W print using any color ink set. NO 
> specific formulas or workflows, just general prodedural concepts 
with 
> about 10 color illustrations and example prints.
> 
> He has a great website at http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/
> 
> I will be interested to hear of your results in this direction.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > Tim,
> > 
> > I will start digging through the stacks. I like to save all my 
> photo 
> > magazines for times like this but have no good filing system. I 
> have 
> > promised Steadman also so I guess I better get to it.
> > 
> > If anyone out there remembers the article, date, etc. please let 
me 
> > know.
> > 
> > We would need to get the publisher's permission to post it, which 
I 
> > can ask for. However, getting a copy would be the best as it has 
> many 
> > images in color showing the different tones he achieved.
> > 
> > I think that this is a technique that is over looked. It also has 
> > great importance for new photographers who want to explore B&W 
but 
> > may not have the resources to add extra printers/inks to their 
> > equipment list or send their work out for Lightjet output. It 
> should 
> > also be printer independent. Epson has dominated the art print 
area 
> > with good reason but the duotone method should be usable with all 
> > brands.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > Martin,
> > > 
> > > I forgot to mention If you could find that article on duotones 
I 
> > > would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as i"m 
> sure 
> > a 
> > > lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.
> > > 
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > > > Tim,
> > > > 
> > > > I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink set 
> and 
> > > > driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and 
duotone 
> > > curves?
> > > > 
> > > > I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> > > > Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts 
> (sister 
> > > > magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.cameraarts.com/
> > > > http://www.viewcamera.com/
> > > > 
> > > > If you call they might be able to come up with a back issue. 
I 
> > > > believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will 
> seriously 
> > > dig 
> > > > through my back issues.
> > > > 
> > > > You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's Luminous 
> > > > Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> > > > 
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and with 
> > what 
> > > > > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a 
> > selenium-
> > > > > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd 
> > printer 
> > > > > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" 
> monitor 
> > a 
> > > > > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife I'm 
> > going 
> > > to 
> > > > > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends place. 
> > Haha.
> > > > >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. So 
> > maybe 
> > > in 
> > > > a 
> > > > > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using 
> duotones 
> > > from 
> > > > > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the paper 
> so 
> > it 
> > > > > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your 
help.

> > > > > 
> > > > > Tim
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > ((snip)

Tim,

Try calling 800-894-8439. You are supposed to be able to order back 
issues from them that way. Let me know if that works.

Martin 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> Martin, 
> 
> As I mentioned I e-mailed View Camera but they didn't know anything 
> about the article. I'm not sure where to go now. I read Allen's 
> comment to you but don't have the book. Oh well, C'est la vie.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > Tim, Steadman,
> > 
> > I found the John Paul Caponigro article entitled: Black and White 
> in 
> > Color" in the March/April issue of View Camera. If you call 800-
894-
> > 8439 you can order a back issue.
> > 
> > He discusses most of the options for digital B&W output and then 
> > discusses in general the use of Levels on an adjustment layer to 
> > create a neutral or toned B&W print using any color ink set. NO 
> > specific formulas or workflows, just general prodedural concepts 
> with 
> > about 10 color illustrations and example prints.
> > 
> > He has a great website at http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/
> > 
> > I will be interested to hear of your results in this direction.
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:
> > > Tim,
> > > 
> > > I will start digging through the stacks. I like to save all my 
> > photo 
> > > magazines for times like this but have no good filing system. I 
> > have 
> > > promised Steadman also so I guess I better get to it.
> > > 
> > > If anyone out there remembers the article, date, etc. please 
let 
> me 
> > > know.
> > > 
> > > We would need to get the publisher's permission to post it, 
which 
> I 
> > > can ask for. However, getting a copy would be the best as it 
has 
> > many 
> > > images in color showing the different tones he achieved.
> > > 
> > > I think that this is a technique that is over looked. It also 
has 
> > > great importance for new photographers who want to explore B&W 
> but 
> > > may not have the resources to add extra printers/inks to their 
> > > equipment list or send their work out for Lightjet output. It 
> > should 
> > > also be printer independent. Epson has dominated the art print 
> area 
> > > with good reason but the duotone method should be usable with 
all 
> > > brands.
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > Martin,
> > > > 
> > > > I forgot to mention If you could find that article on 
duotones 
> I 
> > > > would really appreciate it. Perhaps put it on the list, as 
i"m 
> > sure 
> > > a 
> > > > lot of other folks would be interested as well. Thanks again.
> > > > 
> > > > Tim
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... 
wrote:
> > > > > Tim,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I gather you are doing duotones with the native Epson ink 
set 
> > and 
> > > > > driver? Would you be willing to post your workflow and 
> duotone 
> > > > curves?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I would also recommend that you search out John Paul 
> > > > > Caponigro's article in either View Camera and Camera Arts 
> > (sister 
> > > > > magazines) for his detailed duotone procedure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.cameraarts.com/
> > > > > http://www.viewcamera.com/
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you call they might be able to come up with a back 
issue. 
> I 
> > > > > believe it was last fall. If not let me know and I will 
> > seriously 
> > > > dig 
> > > > > through my back issues.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You might also take a look at Michael H. Reichmann's 
Luminous 
> > > > > Landscape site and his post on duotones:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.luminous-landscape.com/duotone.htm
> > > > > 
> > > > > Martin
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Steadman. What inks do you use with Torchon and 
with 
> > > what 
> > > > > > printer? I like printing my b/w as duotones similar to a 
> > > selenium-
> > > > > > toned b/w. Right now I'm using a 1280 and can't buy a 2nd 
> > > printer 
> > > > > > right away. I just bot a complete new computer with 19" 
> > monitor 
> > > a 
> > > > > > Canon 4000dpi scanner and the 1280. If I tell the wife 
I'm 
> > > going 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > buy a 2nd printer I may be bunking over at a friends 
place. 
> > > Haha.
> > > > > >  I have a Wacom tablet and Painter software to buy yet. 
So 
> > > maybe 
> > > > in 
> > > > > a 
> > > > > > couple of months but for now I plan to continue using 
> > duotones 
> > > > from 
> > > > > > color inks. You have helped me make up my mind on the 
paper 

> > so 
> > > it 
> > > > > > just leaves the inks to decide about. Thank you for your 
> help.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > ((snip)