Digital BW, The Print

The best way for me to gather info will be for interested folks to 
message me off-list with "Print Exchange" in the subject - may as 
well try to automate the registration.

Thanks,


Shaun Granleese

Shaun, count me in, will print with MIS Full Spectrum either 
through the Piezo Driver or with a customized Woolf Workflow.
Bernd Langmack
Essen Germany




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., shaun@s... wrote:
> The best way for me to gather info will be for interested folks to 
> message me off-list with "Print Exchange" in the subject - may 
as 

> well try to automate the registration.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Shaun Granleese

Just finished print # 31.
I printed with MIS Full Spectrum on Epson 1160 using the Epson 
driver.  I made

11 prints on Photo Rag
10 prints on W. Turner
10 prints on German Etching.

So if anybody has a favorite, drop me an (off)line, and I will put 
his name on the paper. 
Hope that doesn´t drive Shaun nuts.

Will use the back of  EAM for comments and print  two smaller 
versions (half letter) of the image on the coated side for 
comparison - using the Piezodriver plus MIS FS inks and the 
Piezodriver plus Cone inks.
Bernd

Arghhh! ;-)



Shaun


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." 
<ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:

> Just finished print # 31.
> I printed with MIS Full Spectrum on Epson 1160 using the Epson 
> driver.  I made
> 
> 11 prints on Photo Rag
> 10 prints on W. Turner
> 10 prints on German Etching.
> 
> So if anybody has a favorite, drop me an (off)line, and I will put 
> his name on the paper. 
> Hope that doesn´t drive Shaun nuts.
> 
> Will use the back of  EAM for comments and print  two smaller 
> versions (half letter) of the image on the coated side for 
> comparison - using the Piezodriver plus MIS FS inks and the 
> Piezodriver plus Cone inks.
> Bernd

My 31 prints will be complete this evening. Only 11 more to go. Hmm, 
maybe I should reprint 3 on each of 10 different papers....or maybe 
one on each of 31 different papers.....?

On second thought, nah not gonna happen.

-Mike

Bernd,

Wow! That sounds really great. Thanks for providing the opportunity 
for so many to see the side-by-side comparison of Piezo, MIS FS 
w/Piezo driver and MIS FS w/Epson driver!

Martin

(I have seen some of Bernd's prints and they are incredible. We are 
in for a real treat!)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." 
<ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:

> Just finished print # 31.
> I printed with MIS Full Spectrum on Epson 1160 using the Epson 
> driver.  I made
> 
> 11 prints on Photo Rag
> 10 prints on W. Turner
> 10 prints on German Etching.
> 
> So if anybody has a favorite, drop me an (off)line, and I will put 
> his name on the paper. 
> Hope that doesn´t drive Shaun nuts.
> 
> Will use the back of  EAM for comments and print  two smaller 
> versions (half letter) of the image on the coated side for 
> comparison - using the Piezodriver plus MIS FS inks and the 
> Piezodriver plus Cone inks.
> Bernd

Bernd - are you saying that you're going to produce a print (on one 
of the three papers you mentioned) AND a comparison dual-print on the 
EAM for EACH participant? I must have misunderstood you....

Shaun

> 
> Will use the back of  EAM for comments and print  two smaller 
> versions (half letter) of the image on the coated side for 
> comparison - using the Piezodriver plus MIS FS inks and the 
> Piezodriver plus Cone inks.
> Bernd

Ummmm, With Mark's "Morgan Freeman" and Bernd's submission, I'm concerned...
I'm sending an image of my son.

Hope no one minds...  I could change it to a close up of a fly?? <g>

Carolyn

Bernd, your submission will be well rec'd, thank you!

> Bernd,
> 
> Wow! That sounds really great. Thanks for providing the opportunity for so
> many to see the side-by-side comparison of Piezo, MIS FS w/Piezo driver and
> MIS FS w/Epson driver!
> 
> Martin
> 
> (I have seen some of Bernd's prints and they are incredible. We are in for a
> real treat!)

Shaun, if you don´t mind the extra work and won´t take the 
deadline discipline to seriously , I´ll try my best.
B.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Shaun Granleese" 
<shaun@s...> wrote:
> Bernd - are you saying that you're going to produce a print (on 
one 
> of the three papers you mentioned) AND a comparison 
dual-print on the 
> EAM for EACH participant? I must have misunderstood you....
> 
> Shaun
> 
> > 
> > Will use the back of  EAM for comments and print  two 
smaller 

> > versions (half letter) of the image on the coated side for 
> > comparison - using the Piezodriver plus MIS FS inks and the 
> > Piezodriver plus Cone inks.
> > Bernd

I don't and I won't - I'm not requesting that you do this extra 
printing, that would be unreasonable; but if that's what you had 
intended to do, I applaud you!

Shaun


Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:

> Shaun, if you don´t mind the extra work and won´t take the 
> deadline discipline to seriously , I´ll try my best.
> B.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Shaun Granleese" 
> <shaun@s...> wrote:
> > Bernd - are you saying that you're going to produce a print (on 
> one 
> > of the three papers you mentioned) AND a comparison 
> dual-print on the 
> > EAM for EACH participant? I must have misunderstood you....
> > 
> > Shaun

Shaun,

The prints went out this morning to your home.  I included a FedEx 
box with label from Canada for return shipping. You should have them 
Monday or Tuesday.

Thanks for coordinating everything.

Mike

Shaun, Bernd,

I believe Bernd intended to print the comparisons as smaller images 
on the information sheet using EAM. Yes/no? This would keep two sheet 
standard and keep you both from additional work.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Shaun Granleese" 
<shaun@s...> wrote:

> I don't and I won't - I'm not requesting that you do this extra 
> printing, that would be unreasonable; but if that's what you had 
> intended to do, I applaud you!
> 
> Shaun
> 
> 
> Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@y...> wrote:
> > Shaun, if you don´t mind the extra work and won´t take the 
> > deadline discipline to seriously , I´ll try my best.
> > B.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Shaun Granleese" 
> > <shaun@s...> wrote:
> > > Bernd - are you saying that you're going to produce a print (on 
> > one 
> > > of the three papers you mentioned) AND a comparison 
> > dual-print on the 
> > > EAM for EACH participant? I must have misunderstood you....
> > > 
> > > Shaun

Shaun,
I really don´t want to interrupt your "workflow" packing the 
packages, but we all are sooo curious and impatient, please 
give us a little insight into the state of affairs.
Bernd

From: " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:08:09 -0000
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Digital BW] Print Exchange 4 Shaun


.....(Shaun,
I really don´t want to interrupt your "workflow" packing the
packages, but we all are sooo curious and impatient, please
give us a little insight into the state of affairs.
Bernd)......

Apologies but I've been doing so much reading up on all manner of digital
printing issues (I've just returned a 2000P, and now have no printer) my
head is spinning trying to decide which printers to buy and what to put in
them and print on (without metamerism/fading). With this in mind could you
prompt me a little into what state of affairs you refer to?

Many Thx
Shaun




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Shaun Hines 
<shaun.hines@l...> wrote:

Sorry, Shaun, 
this was for Shaun Granleese, who was the moderator of the 
ongoing print exchange. I really fear he went underground with 
all these (roundabout 900) fine art prints we sent him. Probably 
he is selleing them to the Mafia.
Bernd ;-)



> .....(Shaun,
> I really don´t want to interrupt your "workflow" packing the
> packages, but we all are sooo curious and impatient, please
> give us a little insight into the state of affairs.
> Bernd)......
> 
> Apologies but I've been doing so much reading up on all 
manner of digital
> printing issues (I've just returned a 2000P, and now have no 
printer) my
> head is spinning trying to decide which printers to buy and 
what to put in
> them and print on (without metamerism/fading). With this in 
mind could you

> prompt me a little into what state of affairs you refer to?
> 
> Many Thx
> Shaun
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The mafia weren't interested so I set up a table at a flea market...

Here's all the news that's fit to print regarding the ongoing 
exchange:

- Wow! Nice work all.
- Bernd's incredible comparison of Cone vs. MIS FS inks via the 
PiezoBW driver is eye-opening and has changed my purchase plans.
- We have 27 out of 32 packages in my hands (the 32nd is the set I 
made).
- Everyone still to come in is in transit or has alerted me to the 
schedule (a few days at most).
- We had one graceful exit and one participant who didn't respond to 
ANY of my messages, my irritation has changed to concern to be honest.
- Both of these exits have been replaced with ultra-keen last minute 
participants, I thought it preferable to wait a few days and fill the 
roster than to ship everyone back a couple of their own prints. In 
fact, both of the replacements will likely have their prints in 
before the last couple of "stragglers" ;-)
- I hope to begin shipping back in a week to 10 days. I will repost 
when I finish the collation.
- Did I mention that I'm floored by everyones work?


Shaun Granleese



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." 

> 
> Sorry, Shaun, 
> this was for Shaun Granleese, who was the moderator of the 
> ongoing print exchange. I really fear he went underground with 
> all these (roundabout 900) fine art prints we sent him. Probably 
> he is selleing them to the Mafia.
> Bernd ;-)
>

Shaun,

I'm itching to know... hows the print exchange deliveries going? I 
can't wait to see how bad my printing really is! Or perhaps I'll be 
delitefully surprised that I'm on target. Any news?

Dave Tevis

Hey Dave - 

I'm still waiting on 2 packages..... contain your groans, I am in 
contact with the senders. I have erred on the side of flexibility 
timewise - I've recruited replacements for all the dropouts and given 
extra time to some other participants - I'm assuming obviously that 
most of you would prefer to wait a couple of extra weeks and get none 
of your own prints back.

Of course this is easy for me to say since I've been enjoying and 
examining everyones work for a month. By the way, the prize for first 
package to arrive goes to Jerry Olson.

Dave, your work holds up admirably 'against' everyone elses - it's 
mine I'm worried about :-)

I hope to collate this weekend even if all the prints are not in - 
then I'll add the last prints to come in and ship. 

All the best,

Shaun Granleese

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Dave Tevis" <dave@t...> 
wrote:

> Shaun,
> 
> I'm itching to know... hows the print exchange deliveries going? I 
> can't wait to see how bad my printing really is! Or perhaps I'll be 
> delitefully surprised that I'm on target. Any news?
> 
> Dave Tevis

In the correspondence with the print exchange there had been a 
request for a jpeg of the image to be posted...where would that 
posting be?

Cleavis

Snip
> > I'm itching to know... hows the print exchange deliveries going? 
Snip

Jeremy - I've only received about half of the jpegs from participants 
so I haven't put this together yet - 50% seems a bit sad but I'll 
assemble it when I collate and ship the packages.

Shaun Granleese


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., lyonscox@m... wrote:

> In the correspondence with the print exchange there had been a 
> request for a jpeg of the image to be posted...where would that 
> posting be?
> 
> Cleavis

I guess we are in the home stretch. I just want to thank Shaun for 
all his hard work. I am looking forward to receiving the goods.

Mike

> I guess we are in the home stretch. I just want to thank Shaun 
for 
> all his hard work. I am looking forward to receiving the goods.
> 
> Mike

Shaun just sent an email to all - the prints are being sent out 
today.

Best,

John V.

Just received my Print Exchange package and I am very impressed and 
pleased.

First thanks and three cheers to Shaun for making it all happen! Hip! 
Hip! Hurrah!

Also special thanks to Bernd Langmack who sent three versions of his 
image MIS FS with the Epson driver, MIS FS with the Piezo driver and 
Piezo ink with the Piezo driver. Carolyn Frayn who sent four prints 
showing what can be done with the Epson 2000P and Epson color pigment 
inks. Paul Roark who sent three prints showing different tones 
achievable with the MIS VM ink set. Jeremy Cox who sent two prints 
showing the range of Lysonic E inks using a custom profile on Arches 
Hot Press paper and with a different profile on Epson Photo Quality 
Paper.

Aside from the wonderful and varied pieces of art in this portfolio, 
this represents a remarkable set of first class example of what can 
be obtained with a wide variety of tools and materials. I count at 
least 6 different ink sets, 14 different papers and multiple 
combinations of drivers, printers and workflows. The collection is a 
testament to the current state of B&W print production using inkjet 
printers. While there are differences between the processes they are 
much less than what I imagined and all of them are fully viable as 
expressive, artistic mediums.

Thanks to all who shared their vision.

Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Aside from the wonderful and varied pieces of art in this 
portfolio, 
> this represents a remarkable set of first class example of what 
can 
> be obtained with a wide variety of tools and materials.


No kidding, Martin. Speaking of tools, can you recommend an 
eraser that could remove signatures from print surfaces? I'm 
gonna take all 31 of these and stick them on ebay and try to 
recoup some of the money I've blown in search of the ultimate 
ink and paper!

Not to single anyone out, but I was pretty taken by Paul Roark's 
print of that tree stump. Shocking amount of detail, and no sign 
of any dots. PLUS, it was made on a lowly 3000! Good job...

I was also taken by the amount of time that people took writing 
and preparing the descriptions on the backs of the prints. Some 
of these were almost as impressive as the fronts. If you don't 
remember, I was the geek that wanted to "standardize" the 
forms, so that everyone's was the same. Tucker, get a clue.

This whole thing reminds of the spirit of "Shots" magazine; that 
little newsprint photography magazine that's made up of various 
photographers from around the country. The whole package just 
glows with the spirit of the great adventure of photography; it's 
slapped me out of my cynicism a bit today, (but I'm sure I'll gain it 
back).

I look forward to tonight, when I can sit down with them all, have 
a nice glass of Single Barrel Jack Daniels, and have one of 
those rare moments of being reminded what photography is all 
about.

Thanks, everyone who contributed.

-Mark Tucker

What a pleasant surprise, 31 lovely print arrived at my office just 
about 10am. I put my "Do NOt Disturb" button on my phone, closed my 
door and proceeded to review the 31 images.

The next two hours were spend enjoying the prints. Obviously there is 
a large diversity in photographic experience, but all of the images 
have a sense of place, expression and inner spirit.

Thanks to all, I an honored to be part of this exchange.

Regards and thanks to all,

Mike

Michael J. Kravit, AIA
Architect/Photographer

Mine just arrived today as well!  I'm like a kid in a candy store. 

This is a very special group of talented photographers that I'm 
proud to be associated with. What a treat to have... IN HAND... 31 
awsome prints to study for technique and admire for beauty. 

Shaun, my compliments on your efforts and time. Thank you.

Photographers of the group, my compliments on your quality, 
sharing, and talent. Thank you.

Now... off to admire some great images! (and to be humbled)

Dave Tevis

Well, I too missed out on the print exchange. I had assumed that it was for
Piezo BW only. I understand it is rather early to be starting up another
exchange, but I would like to be the organizer of the next exchange when
everyone is ready to do it again.

So, please keep me in mind for the next exchange.

Scott

Well I'm green... and there isn't any ink on me. I stayed home all day
waiting for the FedEx package to arrive. It arrived, but the fellow did not
ring the bell or knock!  So now I have to wait until tomorrow for
re-delivery!!  ;-(

I would love to organize the next exchange also, we could draw virtual
straws... I asked Shaun if I could help with this one but he obviously did
not need any... ;-)

Carolyn

> Well, I too missed out on the print exchange. I had assumed that it was for
> Piezo BW only. I understand it is rather early to be starting up another
> exchange, but I would like to be the organizer of the next exchange when
> everyone is ready to do it again.
> 
> So, please keep me in mind for the next exchange.
> 
> Scott

Carolyn,

My wife is in love with your little "Jonathan". She found the image 
to be quite expressive and full of emotion. Good job!

Mike

Like many of you my package arrived today as well.

My partner and I look foward to giving some time to these images.
Among Our first comments were about how we have as much to learn 
about how people arranged their words/commentary/resume as we do from 
the images themselves.

Thanks for your time all.

Cleavis in AZ

Heya Scott,

Count me in for this one (once I get the DDS cleared). There may be enough 
of us who missed the last exchange that you might not have to wait to start 
up another one. If you run it, I can hand deliver mine. :)

Mark

Hi group.

Just got the 31 print package. Boy there are some terrific images in
there. Many different kinds of 
paper too, that I had not seen before. All of the Hahnem\ufffdhle papers
represented had beautiful blacks. This time, unlike the first set, I
didn't see any flaking at all. Are you guys spraying your prints with
something or do you think the papers are improving in this respect?

> No kidding, Martin. Speaking of tools, can you recommend an
> eraser that could remove signatures from print surfaces? I'm
> gonna take all 31 of these and stick them on ebay and try to
> recoup some of the money I've blown in search of the ultimate
> ink and paper!

Shirley, you jest! 
>

I noticed a lot of prints were made with Paul's curves. Great Job Paul.

I only use the MIS variable inks and Paul's curves now, in both the 1160
and 1280.  Results are nearly identical, for all practical purposes.  

If there is another group, I'm going to submit a Digital D-30 Print.
Ever since I got this camera,
photography has become fun again. Love this camera!

Jerry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" 
<mtucker508@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Aside from the wonderful and varied pieces of art in this 
> portfolio, 
> > this represents a remarkable set of first class example of what 
> can 
> > be obtained with a wide variety of tools and materials.
> 
> 
> No kidding, Martin. Speaking of tools, can you recommend an 
> eraser that could remove signatures from print surfaces? I'm 
> gonna take all 31 of these and stick them on ebay and try to 
> recoup some of the money I've blown in search of the ultimate 
> ink and paper!

I'll trade you a nice magic eraser for all those prints no questions 
asked.
> 
> Not to single anyone out, but I was pretty taken by Paul Roark's 
> print of that tree stump. Shocking amount of detail, and no sign 
> of any dots. PLUS, it was made on a lowly 3000! Good job...
> 
> I was also taken by the amount of time that people took writing 
> and preparing the descriptions on the backs of the prints. Some 
> of these were almost as impressive as the fronts. If you don't 
> remember, I was the geek that wanted to "standardize" the 
> forms, so that everyone's was the same. Tucker, get a clue.
> 
> This whole thing reminds of the spirit of "Shots" magazine; that 
> little newsprint photography magazine that's made up of various 
> photographers from around the country. The whole package just 
> glows with the spirit of the great adventure of photography; it's 
> slapped me out of my cynicism a bit today, (but I'm sure I'll gain 
it 
> back).

Is "Shots" still around? I still have all the early copies but I let 
my subscription slide after Dan Price sold it. The real peak was when 
he was including all his drawings and journal entries. Once that 
dropped out I sort of lost interest. Might be worth checking out 
again.

> 
> I look forward to tonight, when I can sit down with them all, have 
> a nice glass of Single Barrel Jack Daniels, and have one of 
> those rare moments of being reminded what photography is all 
> about.
> 
Go for the Booker's 145. ;-)

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Is "Shots" still around? I still have all the early copies but I let 
> my subscription slide after Dan Price sold it.


http://www.afterimagegallery.com/shots.htm

Mark,

Thanks for the link. Looks like I should hook back in again. I 
recommend Shots to one and all. A great source of inspiration and the 
breaking of rules and barriers.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" 
<mtucker508@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Is "Shots" still around? I still have all the early copies but I 
let 

> > my subscription slide after Dan Price sold it.
> 
> 
> http://www.afterimagegallery.com/shots.htm

I'm fairly new to this list, having been lurking
for maybe a week or two. I seem to have joined a
little too late and missed out on the print
exchange. So, count me in on the next one.(but
judging from all the "me too's", this could get
unwieldy) I'm somewhat new to digital B/W and
feel like I've got a lot to learn. Disscusing
visual images is fun and useful but can only go
so far. There's nothing like seeing original
work(digital or silver). Anyway, I think I'm
brave enough to be willing to share my fledgling
attemps in exchange for seeing some "real" work.

Thoughts on Shots magazine: I too hadn't read it
in a little while and recently picked up the
current issue. I was mildly disappointed. The
imagery is still good and "on the edge", but it
seems to have lost a little of that homemade feel
of the early days. It just seems a little slicker
and I miss things like the contributors comments.
It was always very unpretentious. Oh well.

Alan

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Everyone,

I thought it would be early to begin a new print exchange but, it looks as
though there is plenty of interest. I do not want to just assume
responsibility over others who are also willing to take the lead. So, If no
one has objections, I will begin organizing this exchange. I will set up a
web link for signing up today.

Scott

Sounds good Scott. If you don't mind two suggestions... Change the subject
line like Heath did to which I responded earlier with a list of names (maybe
the Second DBaWtP Exchange)... take that list I compiled and add:

Mark Tucker
Ken Durling

That list was pretty much in order of the people who signed up already. That
was how Shaun started the first DBaWtP print exchange. Would not want anyone
to miss your web link later on.

Thanks,
Carolyn

> 
> Everyone,
> 
> I thought it would be early to begin a new print exchange but, it looks as
> though there is plenty of interest. I do not want to just assume
> responsibility over others who are also willing to take the lead. So, If no
> one has objections, I will begin organizing this exchange. I will set up a
> web link for signing up today.
> 
> Scott

I didn't spray, just brushed well before putting the paper in the printer.

Tim

> All of the Hahnemühle papers
> represented had beautiful blacks. This time, unlike the first set, I
> didn't see any flaking at all. Are you guys spraying your prints with
> something or do you think the papers are improving in this respect?
> 

--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com
&
http://www.borderless-photos.de

All,

I have a final list of people for the print exchange. It was put together in
combinatoin of those who signed up online and those who got their request in
by email first. There are 31 individuals signed up currently. As far as I
can tell this is about the max for an exchange. I will leave that up to the
participants. If you don't mind making more than 31 prints let me know. If
everyone is willing to do more I will add more people to the list.

To see the list go to:
www.praxis-systems.com/inkjetexchange/printexchange.asp

I would appreciate it if the following individuals would contact me off
list. I need to get email addresses and mailing information.
(scott@...-systems.com)

Andy Darlow
Brian Mikiten
Alan Sanders-Herring
Cleavis ?
Daren Maranya
Howard Slavitt
Ken Durling
Mark Tucker
Schilesh Jani
James Lerager
Trish Ternahan

I would like to add thumbnails of the submitted prints to the list. When you
have decided what you will be submitting could you please send me a jpeg,
png or gif image of appx 150 x 200 pixels to use on the list.


Thanks

Scott

p.s. Even if you are not participating you can go to
www.praxis-systems.com/inkjetexchange to look at information on your
favorite papers and inksets. I would appreciate it very much if people would
visit the site and add comments about your experiences with different papers
and inksets. This is an online database and the more user comments that are
added the more valuable it will be. I am adding to the database and working
on the site in general to improve it's usefulness. Some pages and features
do not yet work 100%.

Scott,
 If you have a waiting list going, could you please
include me on it?  
-Daniel Perez
 daniel@...

 In the mean time...  Is there anyone in the Dallas,
TX area with the first set of prints who's willing to
meet for a little review?

lemme know..
 -daniel

--- Scott Hendershot <scott@...> wrote:
> There are 31 individuals signed up
> currently. As far as I
> can tell this is about the max for an exchange. I
> will leave that up to the
> participants. If you don't mind making more than 31
> prints let me know. If
> everyone is willing to do more I will add more
> people to the list.
> 


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>I thought it would be early to begin a new print exchange but, it looks as
>though there is plenty of interest. I do not want to just assume
>responsibility over others who are also willing to take the lead. So, If no
>one has objections, I will begin organizing this exchange. I will set up a
>web link for signing up today.

Please add me to the list.

thanks,

cort anderson

All,

I have a final list of people for this print exchange. The list is at:
http://www.praxis-systems.com/inkjetexchange/printexchangeparticipants.asp

If you are not on the list it is because I received your request after the
signup was full. I appologize to those who did not make the list. Everyone
who gave me feedback about the size of the exchange wanted to keep it at
about 30 people. We officially have 32.

I will provide more feedback later today as I get organized.

Scott

I am putting together the submission guidelines for this print exchange and
I wonder if anyone can tell me what the approximate weight of the completed
packages was for the las print exchane? I would like to get a heads up on
what the shipping costs will be.

Thanks.

Scott

Count me in for the print exchange for images 11 x 17 to 13 x 19.
Please note the new email address:
nolarion@...

I basically would be interested, but \ufffd

how is it supposed to work, I just read about it and maybe there has been an earlier post about the procedure

second, I am located in Vienna, Austria, which I guess would make shipping complicated and costly, which leads to another question
will those works be on display on a website?




tanola@... schrieb:

> Count me in for the print exchange for images 11 x 17 to 13 x 19.
> Please note the new email address:
> nolarion@...

inkjetgoodies.com is sponsoring bi-monthly print exchanges, the 
details can be found at http://www.inkjetgoodies.com/exchanges.html. 
The exchanges are open topic and open to a variety of media. They are 
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Seth,
I was only trying to offer you a more innocent view of what you 
perceived as some sort of affront. As a twenty five professional 
photographer I would never condone or support anyone illegally 
reproducing or distributing intellectual property of any kind. I also 
won't reproduce copyrighted photos or go into the "gray" area of 
copyright at all.

Sometimes things are more innocent than they appear. Blessings and many 
photo sales to you this holiday season.
Jerry



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jerry@...
On Dec 18, 2004, at 12:30 PM, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Jerry-
>
> Whether you know who did them or not is NOT a defense to copyright
> violation.
>
> In this case, all of the exchanges had are names and photo information 
> on
> the backs.  How else would the person who bought it know who to 
> contact?
>
> I AM, however, bringing up the point that WE as exchange participants 
> must
> understand that there are no "rights" transferred with the exchange.
>
> Seth
>
> =-----Original Message-----
> =From: Jerry Hadam [mailto:jerry@...]
> =
> =Of course your situation may be different, but as a possible more
> =innocent view of things consider this: I bought into and manage a
> =framing and gallery business in May. I have come across several
> =wonderful pieces of art that do not have any information at all about
> =ownership, creator or anything. My obligation to myself and the other
> =stock holders is to maintain profitability. So....I am selling all the
> ="found" artwork in my shop.
> =

I suspect a large part of the bitching here is ego. Someone got a buck for a print whilst the author couldn't. No wrong has been done. There is no contractual obligation in the print exchange, no restricting obligations. Seth gave someone a pair of pink socks, they didn't like them enough to keep them, gave them to someone else, and now they are for sale at a garage-sale . . . period. 

While I don't think the manner in which it was handled was the most "elegant", no law has been broken, no affront made, except for someone's ego . . . so what. The lesson is simple, especially for someone who has a "law degree" . . . next time put up restrictions in print, get the recipient to sign aforesaid contract, then submit your work. Otherwise, don't participate.

Paul Aparycki

  Seth,
  I was only trying to offer you a more innocent view of what you 
  perceived as some sort of affront. As a twenty five professional 
  photographer I would never condone or support anyone illegally 
  reproducing or distributing intellectual property of any kind. I also 
  won't reproduce copyrighted photos or go into the "gray" area of 
  copyright at all.

  Sometimes things are more innocent than they appear. Blessings and many 
  photo sales to you this holiday season.
  Jerry



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I'd like to explore the possibility of a print exchange. What better way to
gain insight into different printing techniques, then to actually see each
others prints with a brief description of your workflow. I would be willing
to organize it. I'm not talking about sending museum size prints. Anything
easy to mail, starting at postcard size would be fine.

If you are interested, send me your mailing address along with your e-mail
address. After a couple of weeks I will e-mail the list directly to you. I
just participated in a print exchange (on an infrared list) where the number
of people exchanging prints was limited to 15, to make it workable.

Thanks,

Gary Brown

baffin@...
www.pbase.com/garyallenbrown