Digital BW, The Print

Jamie,

Did you get the "Photo Enhanced", that is inkjet receptor coated, Velvet or
the uncoated standard? That may be your problem.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "robotmonkey1" <dandy@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:20 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Sommerset Velvet...am I missing something here?


> Something possessed me to try out a new paper in my workflow, in this
> case Sommerset Velvet. None of the local photography stores carried it
> so I decided to cut my own from larger sheets available at a
> traditional art store. I know from previous posts that people are
> using EAM (my favored paper) for proofing and Sommerset Velvet for
> production prints. Are the curves THAT different for the papers? I
> have ended up with flat, blotchy, and bizarre-cold hued prints, even
> though the VM curve was warm.
>
> Am I missing something obvious here about the handling of Sommerset
> Velvet? Is there something special about the stock marketed towards
> digital printing?
>
> Sorry if this topic has been covered previously...I could not find the
> answers in a quick search of the archives.
>
>
> Best, Jamie.
>
>
>
> :Jamie Drouin Photographs:
> http://www.jamiedrouin.com
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Hi Martin,

This would be the standard uncoated Velvet. My impression was that the
standard Velvet was one of the best papers for 4-ink printers, such as
my 1160.

Best, Jamie.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Jamie,
> 
> Did you get the "Photo Enhanced", that is inkjet receptor coated,
Velvet or
> the uncoated standard? That may be your problem.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "robotmonkey1" <dandy@q...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:20 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Sommerset Velvet...am I missing something here?
> 
> 
> > Something possessed me to try out a new paper in my workflow, in this
> > case Sommerset Velvet. None of the local photography stores carried it
> > so I decided to cut my own from larger sheets available at a
> > traditional art store. I know from previous posts that people are
> > using EAM (my favored paper) for proofing and Sommerset Velvet for
> > production prints. Are the curves THAT different for the papers? I
> > have ended up with flat, blotchy, and bizarre-cold hued prints, even
> > though the VM curve was warm.
> >
> > Am I missing something obvious here about the handling of Sommerset
> > Velvet? Is there something special about the stock marketed towards
> > digital printing?
> >
> > Sorry if this topic has been covered previously...I could not find the
> > answers in a quick search of the archives.
> >
> >
> > Best, Jamie.
> >
> >
> >
> > :Jamie Drouin Photographs:
> > http://www.jamiedrouin.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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Jamie,

EAM is a coated paper and I would expect that an image adjusted to work on
EAM would print very differently on an uncoated paper like Somerset Velvet.
Perhaps in the earlier posts you mentioned people were dropping the word
"Enhanced". It gets a bit confusing as there are or have been Somerset
Velvet, Somerset Enhanced, Somerset Photo Enhanced Velvet, and perhaps other
names I am forgetting.

Paul Roark's RGB separation curves for the MIS-VM ink set were optimized for
EAM and Tyler Boley's for Hahnemule Photo Rag. These curves might work okay
with the Enhanced but I would expect that you would need to modify the
curves to get a good print from the uncoated Velvet. With the coated papers
the ink pretty much rides on the surface but with uncoated papers a portions
is going to be absorbed and you would need to account for that with the
curves or in your print adjustment.

The Piezo driver has paper profiles for EAM and four of the Somerset papers
so that might be an easier path is you want to proof on EAM and do finals on
the more expensive paper. In the end though I find you wind up doing a
certain number of work prints on the expensive paper since the final "look"
always seem to need a tweak or two or three.

Maybe someone who has worked with the uncoated Velvet and MIS-VM will offer
some advice.

Great site and wonderful images, by the way. I wish I could see them in
person. I took the liberty of adding a link to your site in the
Photographers folder of the groups Bookmarks section.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----

From: "robotmonkey1" <dandy@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Sommerset Velvet...am I missing something here?


> Hi Martin,
>
> This would be the standard uncoated Velvet. My impression was that the
> standard Velvet was one of the best papers for 4-ink printers, such as
> my 1160.
>
> Best, Jamie.
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Jamie,
> >
> > Did you get the "Photo Enhanced", that is inkjet receptor coated,
> Velvet or
> > the uncoated standard? That may be your problem.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "robotmonkey1" <dandy@q...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:20 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Sommerset Velvet...am I missing something here?
> >
> >
> > > Something possessed me to try out a new paper in my workflow, in this
> > > case Sommerset Velvet. None of the local photography stores carried it
> > > so I decided to cut my own from larger sheets available at a
> > > traditional art store. I know from previous posts that people are
> > > using EAM (my favored paper) for proofing and Sommerset Velvet for
> > > production prints. Are the curves THAT different for the papers? I
> > > have ended up with flat, blotchy, and bizarre-cold hued prints, even
> > > though the VM curve was warm.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something obvious here about the handling of Sommerset
> > > Velvet? Is there something special about the stock marketed towards
> > > digital printing?
> > >
> > > Sorry if this topic has been covered previously...I could not find the
> > > answers in a quick search of the archives.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best, Jamie.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > :Jamie Drouin Photographs:
> > > http://www.jamiedrouin.com

In a message dated 7/9/02 6:22:28 PM, dandy@... writes:

>Something possessed me to try out a new paper in my workflow, in this
>case Sommerset Velvet. None of the local photography stores carried it
>so I decided to cut my own from larger sheets available at a
>traditional art store. 

<snip>

>Am I missing something obvious here about the handling of Sommerset
>Velvet? Is there something special about the stock marketed towards
>digital printing?
 
Traditional watercolor papers are sized in gelatin, not ideal for inkjet! Its 
actually the printmaking versions that you might get away with, but versions 
specific to inkjet printing are your best bet.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

Thanks to everyone for their responses, and kind comments about my
work. I think after wasting so much time this weekend troubleshooting
papers I'm going to go back to good ol' EAM (till the paper 'bug' hits
again).

Best regards,
Jamie.


:Jamie Drouin Photographs:
http://www.jamiedrouin.com

You can't get deep blacks on uncoated somerset velvet

Jerry

robotmonkey1 wrote:

> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> This would be the standard uncoated Velvet. My impression was that the
> standard Velvet was one of the best papers for 4-ink printers, such as
> my 1160.
> 
> Best, Jamie.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Jamie,
> >
> > Did you get the "Photo Enhanced", that is inkjet receptor coated,
> Velvet or
> > the uncoated standard? That may be your problem.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "robotmonkey1" <dandy@q...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:20 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Sommerset Velvet...am I missing something here?
> >
> >
> > > Something possessed me to try out a new paper in my workflow, in this
> > > case Sommerset Velvet. None of the local photography stores carried it
> > > so I decided to cut my own from larger sheets available at a
> > > traditional art store. I know from previous posts that people are
> > > using EAM (my favored paper) for proofing and Sommerset Velvet for
> > > production prints. Are the curves THAT different for the papers? I
> > > have ended up with flat, blotchy, and bizarre-cold hued prints, even
> > > though the VM curve was warm.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something obvious here about the handling of Sommerset
> > > Velvet? Is there something special about the stock marketed towards
> > > digital printing?
> > >
> > > Sorry if this topic has been covered previously...I could not find the
> > > answers in a quick search of the archives.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best, Jamie.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > :Jamie Drouin Photographs:
> > > http://www.jamiedrouin.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > >
> > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> 
> 
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