Digital BW, The Print

I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 using 
Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them to 
16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the XP1 
film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 film 
which I haven't used before. 
I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan the 
film and make the same size prints.
The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color as 
the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I 
mean very grainy and very course.
When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious not 
at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the 
grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my Tri-X.
Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell me 
what is going on?

Thank you.
Regards,

T J

On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 using 
> Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them to 
> 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the XP1 
> film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 film 
> which I haven't used before. 
> I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan the 
> film and make the same size prints.
> The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color as 
> the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I 
> mean very grainy and very course.
> When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious not 
> at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the 
> grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my Tri-X.
> Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell me 
> what is going on?
> 

Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't mistake them 
for traditional B&W film?

-- 
Tony Terlecki
ajt@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki 
<ajt@m...> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> > I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 
using 
> > Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them 
to 
> > 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> > They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> > However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the 
XP1 
> > film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 
film 
> > which I haven't used before. 
> > I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan 
the 
> > film and make the same size prints.
> > The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color 
as 
> > the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I 
> > mean very grainy and very course.
> > When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious 
not 
> > at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the 
> > grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my 
Tri-X.
> > Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell 
me 
> > what is going on?
> > 
> 
> Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't 
mistake them 
> for traditional B&W film?
> 
> -- 
> Tony Terlecki
> ajt@m...

Tony,
The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a 
custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the film.
Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very 
smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the 
frames in the blank film area.
 Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
TJ

All,

I have purchased a large format printer (9600) and am selling some of my
small ones.

I have a 1200 and a 1280 that I am going to put on Ebay unless someone here
wants to snap them up.  They are in excellent condition.  The 1280 is less
than a year old and has not seen much use.

$225 for the 1200.  (it has epson carts back in it)

The 1280 has a Niagara CIS and Gen5 inks.  I will put carts back in and
clean the CIS if someone wants the whole deal.  All you need to do is get a
replacement cart for the CIS and you're good to go.

$450 for the 1280/CIS

Buyer pays actual shipping...


Lawrence


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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> You have a processing problem. The XP2 has finer grain than 
the XP1.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
Jerry,
Thank you, unfortunately it goes much deeper then that but for 
now I have to figure out what happened and why.
Best,
Thom

You have a processing problem. The XP2 has finer grain than the XP1.

Jerry



Tony Terlecki wrote:

> 
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> > I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 using
> > Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them to
> > 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> > They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> > However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the XP1
> > film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 film
> > which I haven't used before.
> > I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan the
> > film and make the same size prints.
> > The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color as
> > the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I
> > mean very grainy and very course.
> > When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious not
> > at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the
> > grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my Tri-X.
> > Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell me
> > what is going on?
> >
> 
> Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't mistake them
> for traditional B&W film?
> 
> --
> Tony Terlecki
> ajt@...
> 
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On 7/21/02 8:43 PM, "Lawrence Smith" <lsmith@...> wrote:

> $450 for the 1280/CIS
> 
> Buyer pays actual shipping...


Sorry... I fat fingered the price.  It was meant to be $550...

Lawrence
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:55:19PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki 
> > 
> > Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't 
> mistake them 
> > for traditional B&W film?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tony Terlecki
> > ajt@m...
> 
> Tony,
> The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a 
> custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the film.
> Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very 
> smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the 
> frames in the blank film area.
>  Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
> TJ
> 

I won't say there is no grain but it is certainly much less than HP5 or
Delta 400. It is also more of a diffused type of grain because it consists 
of dye clouds and it also only apparent in the lighter portions of the
negative. When scanning though I get very smooth tones as you would
expect with a chromogenic film. The clear areas of the film between frames
are pretty grain free. Something is evidently wrong with your film.

I'm not sure what scanner you are using but one test if you have an IR
channel and VueScan is to save off the IR channel and see what it looks
like. If you have a very strong negative image then that means there is
silver in the emulsion and they have mis-processed your film.

There's another test if you don't have the above - go back to the lab and
have them put a frame of the film (one you can afford to trash) into the
bleach step of the C-41 process and then into the fix. If the film was
developed with a traditional silver developer then the bleach will oxidize
the silver back to a silver halide and the fix will then remove all the
silver leaving a completely clear piece of film. If the negative image is 
still there then the dye is probably present and the film probably did go 
through some sort of process with a colour developer.

If they did use a B&W developer then there is a way to recover the dye image
although I've never tried it so don't know how well it works. I can explain
the process if you're interested.

What colour is the film? All my C-41 has a magenta cast to it which is
normal. More importantly what does the lab have to say about your film? They
should know right away what happened.  

You should shoot a couple more rolls and send them to a couple of different
labs just to satisfy yourself what a properly developed XP2 neg looks like.
It really is a great film for scanning so something is definitely amiss.
-- 
Tony Terlecki
ajt@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> You have a processing problem. The XP2 has finer grain than 
the XP1.
> 
> Jerry
> 
Jerry,
One other thing...Should the new XP2 have the sorta Pyro like 
look, that brownish stain look of the XP1? This processed XP2 is 
more traditional film like and is reddish.
Thom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki 
<ajt@m...> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:55:19PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki 
> > > 
> > > Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't 
> > mistake them 
> > > for traditional B&W film?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Tony Terlecki
> > > ajt@m...
> > 
> > Tony,
> > The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a 
> > custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the 
film.
> > Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it 
very 
> > smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the 
> > frames in the blank film area.
> >  Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
> > TJ
> > 
> 
> I won't say there is no grain but it is certainly much less than 
HP5 or
> Delta 400. It is also more of a diffused type of grain because it 
consists 
> of dye clouds and it also only apparent in the lighter portions of 
the
> negative. When scanning though I get very smooth tones as 
you would
> expect with a chromogenic film. The clear areas of the film 
between frames
> are pretty grain free. Something is evidently wrong with your 
film.
> 
> I'm not sure what scanner you are using but one test if you 
have an IR
> channel and VueScan is to save off the IR channel and see 
what it looks
> like. If you have a very strong negative image then that means 
there is
> silver in the emulsion and they have mis-processed your film.
> 
> There's another test if you don't have the above - go back to the 
lab and
> have them put a frame of the film (one you can afford to trash) 
into the
> bleach step of the C-41 process and then into the fix. If the film 
was
> developed with a traditional silver developer then the bleach 
will oxidize
> the silver back to a silver halide and the fix will then remove all 
the
> silver leaving a completely clear piece of film. If the negative 
image is 
> still there then the dye is probably present and the film 
probably did go 
> through some sort of process with a colour developer.
> 
> If they did use a B&W developer then there is a way to recover 
the dye image
> although I've never tried it so don't know how well it works. I can 
explain
> the process if you're interested.
> 
> What colour is the film? All my C-41 has a magenta cast to it 
which is
> normal. More importantly what does the lab have to say about 
your film? They
> should know right away what happened.  
> 
> You should shoot a couple more rolls and send them to a 
couple of different
> labs just to satisfy yourself what a properly developed XP2 neg 
looks like.
> It really is a great film for scanning so something is definitely 
amiss.
> -- 
> Tony Terlecki
> ajt@m...
Tony,
Thanks for your very complete reply. This film is magenta and I 
will go to the lab after I shoot a couple of rolls and process 
elsewhere. 
I use a drum scanner and a flat bed with adapter. I have scanned 
other black and white films and this is the only problem I have 
ever had.  
They processed around 300 rolls for this project and that is why I 
am so freaked.
Thanks for your help.
Thom

This seems to be determined by the lab and its' chemical choice. The old
film often had green tones in it, the new doesn't. It is a lighter tint
than the old. I have found no grain in it at all, and it scans
beautifully. Now they have come out with a SUPER Xp2, which I haven't
used.  I have my D60 now, so will probably not be shooting film any more.

I have used the Ilford chemicals for this film a long time ago, and it
resulted in grainier negs than the Kodak C41.  But some labs use Fuji,
or Agfa Chemistry, and that may make a difference too.

Jerry




tjphotoct wrote:
> 
>

Lawrence,
Is that Niagara the NMC versionŠ
Thanks
Peter


on 7/21/02 5:43 PM, Lawrence Smith at lsmith@... wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have purchased a large format printer (9600) and am selling some of my
> small ones.
> 
> I have a 1200 and a 1280 that I am going to put on Ebay unless someone here
> wants to snap them up.  They are in excellent condition.  The 1280 is less
> than a year old and has not seen much use.
> 
> $225 for the 1200.  (it has epson carts back in it)
> 
> The 1280 has a Niagara CIS and Gen5 inks.  I will put carts back in and
> clean the CIS if someone wants the whole deal.  All you need to do is get a
> replacement cart for the CIS and you're good to go.
> 
> $450 for the 1280/CIS
> 
> Buyer pays actual shipping...
> 
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>

I have shot tons and tons of XP2 Super. It is incredibly tight fine 
grain, unless it's been radically under or over exposed. I've seen 
people try to rate it at 1600 and it starts to fall apart at that
point. 
But I doubt you could mis-expose 300 rolls of film, so that's not it.

I only shoot those films: XP2, T400CN and now PortraBW. Left 
XP2 because they won't make it in 220. 

Please post back your answer to this. I'm trying to let my 
backside relax now, after reading your post, and trying to imagine 
how to save 300 rolls of film... I won't sleep well tonight. 

Mark Tucker
http://marktucker.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "marktuckerdotcom" 
<mtucker508@y...> wrote:
> I have shot tons and tons of XP2 Super. It is incredibly tight fine 
> grain, unless it's been radically under or over exposed. I've 
seen 
> people try to rate it at 1600 and it starts to fall apart at that
> point. 
> But I doubt you could mis-expose 300 rolls of film, so that's not 
it.
> 
> I only shoot those films: XP2, T400CN and now PortraBW. Left 
> XP2 because they won't make it in 220. 
> 
> Please post back your answer to this. I'm trying to let my 
> backside relax now, after reading your post, and trying to 
imagine 
> how to save 300 rolls of film... I won't sleep well tonight. 
> 
> Mark Tucker
> http://marktucker.com

Mark,
I have shot thousands of rolls of film in my career. I really mean 
thousands and I can't believe this is happening. Of course this 
involves an entire crew of models, hair and make-up, locations, 
airfares, need I continue?
I will let you  know what I find out.

Thanks.

Thom

On 7/21/02 11:06 PM, "Peter Lindman" <plindman@...> wrote:

> Lawrence,
> Is that Niagara the NMC versionŠ
> Thanks
> Peter


Yes.  I bought it from mediastreet but it is indistinguishable from the
other NMC versions that I have.

Lawrence
----------------------------------
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http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
----------------------------------

on 7/22/2002 1:44 AM, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com at
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:05:16 -0000
> From: "tjphotoct" <tjphoto@...>
> Subject: Ilford XP-2 Users-I need help please
> 
> I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 using
> Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them to
> 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the XP1
> film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 film
> which I haven't used before.
> I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan the
> film and make the same size prints.
> The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color as
> the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I
> mean very grainy and very course.
> When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious not
> at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the
> grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my Tri-X.
> Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell me
> what is going on?
> 
> Thank you.
> Regards,
> 
> T J
TJ,

I shot one roll  with the same result. Never again. I think you'll like the
Kodak Portra B&W or the consumer version Kodak B&W, which are both c41 films
with an orange mask for printing on color stock, but they scan beautifully.
 
-Bruce

Visit my website at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~smthopr

I just  processed XP2 Super shot in Havana and found it to have 
an extremely high D-Max.  I brought more of the same Cuba film 
to a different lab and it looked great.  I figured the first lab was 
bad or Xray damage created the foggy looking film.  I usually get 
great results from XP2.  Frank


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tjphotoct" 
<tjphoto@s...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki 
> <ajt@m...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> > > I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 
> using 
> > > Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them 
> to 
> > > 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> > > They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> > > However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing 
the 
> XP1 
> > > film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 
> film 
> > > which I haven't used before. 
> > > I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan 
> the 
> > > film and make the same size prints.
> > > The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color 
> as 
> > > the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and 
I 
> > > mean very grainy and very course.
> > > When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very 
obvious 
> not 
> > > at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think 
the 
> > > grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my 
> Tri-X.
> > > Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could 
tell 
> me 
> > > what is going on?
> > > 
> > 
> > Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't 
> mistake them 
> > for traditional B&W film?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Tony Terlecki
> > ajt@m...
> 
> Tony,
> The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a 
> custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the 
film.

> Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very 
> smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the 
> frames in the blank film area.
>  Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
> TJ

Surely you folks are not letting ISO 400 film be Xrayed at the airports?
That could surely be a cause of your problems.

Jerry

culturalvisions wrote:

> 
> I just  processed XP2 Super shot in Havana and found it to have
> an extremely high D-Max.  I brought more of the same Cuba film
> to a different lab and it looked great.  I figured the first lab was
> bad or Xray damage created the foggy looking film.  I usually get
> great results from XP2.  Frank
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "tjphotoct"
> <tjphoto@s...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Tony Terlecki
> > <ajt@m...> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2002 at 11:05:16PM -0000, tjphotoct wrote:
> > > > I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1
> > using
> > > > Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them
> > to
> > > > 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> > > > They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> > > > However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing
> the
> > XP1
> > > > film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2
> > film
> > > > which I haven't used before.
> > > > I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan
> > the
> > > > film and make the same size prints.
> > > > The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color
> > as
> > > > the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and
> I
> > > > mean very grainy and very course.
> > > > When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very
> obvious
> > not
> > > > at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think
> the
> > > > grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my
> > Tri-X.
> > > > Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could
> tell
> > me
> > > > what is going on?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Are you sure the lab processed these as C-41 and didn't
> > mistake them
> > > for traditional B&W film?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tony Terlecki
> > > ajt@m...
> >
> > Tony,
> > The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a
> > custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the
> film.
> > Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very
> > smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the
> > frames in the blank film area.
> >  Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
> > TJ
> 
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What you are describing sounds something like reticulation, though I can't imagine how that could happen with 300 rolls in a dip and dunk line (or at least I would imagine it's a dip and dunk, since a pro lab).  I tried some XP-2 but didn't like it because I got gritty scans, but not like you're describing.  Sounds as if your lab has a problem.  You might try another roll or two and have Modernage process it -they're pretty consistent.  You've no doubt eliminated your scanner as a problem source.  

  --Ken Carney



>Tony,
The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a 
custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the film.
Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very 
smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the 
frames in the blank film area.
Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
TJ



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I've never seen any grain in an XP2 neg, with prints up to 18 inches
long. None. The only time this film gets grainy, is if you underexpose
it. and then it REALLY gets grainy! 

I use an ISO of 250 for this film, never higher.

Jerry




Ken Carney wrote:

> 
> What you are describing sounds something like reticulation, though I can't imagine how that could happen with 300 rolls in a dip and dunk line (or at least I would imagine it's a dip and dunk, since a pro lab).  I tried some XP-2 but didn't like it because I got gritty scans, but not like you're describing.  Sounds as if your lab has a problem.  You might try another roll or two and have Modernage process it -they're pretty consistent.  You've no doubt eliminated your scanner as a problem source.
> 
>   --Ken Carney
> 
> >Tony,
> The box, the roll, everything says process C-41. They are a
> custom color and black and white lab and they also sell the film.
> Do you use XP2 and can you see "grain" in your XP2 or is it very
> smooth. I can see this grain like pattern even between the
> frames in the blank film area.
> Actually I just read it is now XP2 Super.
> TJ
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I guess your problem negs are not underexdposed ....  As I recall, with XP1
or XP2, one would get the finest grain when shooting at low exposure indexes
-- 50 or 100; when the film is rated at 800 or 1600 (underexposed) the grain
will be quite pronounced.

jim

On 7/21/02 5:05 PM, "tjphotoct" <tjphoto@...> wrote:

> I am printing some of my older images that I shot on XP1 using
> Piezography inks and my Epson 3000. I am enlarging them to
> 16x20 and grain isn't an issue. The prints are looking great.
> They were all shot either 6x7 or 35mm.
> However, since I liked the ease of scanning and printing the XP1
> film I just shot a huge project with a Contax 6.45 using XP2 film
> which I haven't used before.
> I processed the film at a custom lab and I am trying to scan the
> film and make the same size prints.
> The XP2 negatives aren't the same color or as deep a color as
> the  XP1 negatives and they are very grainy and coarse and I
> mean very grainy and very course.
> When I look at the film under a loupe the grain is very obvious not
> at all the smooth look I am used to with XP1. In fact I think the
> grain is more pronounced with the XP2 film then with my Tri-X.
> Does anyone have a lot of experience with XP2 who could tell me
> what is going on?
> 
> Thank you.
> Regards,
> 
> T J
>