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Re: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink

Re: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink

2002-07-28 by Martin Wesley

Jamie,

Archival color does come up here as a topic since some people do use color
ink sets to print B&W or monochrome images. However, for what you are
looking for I suggest that you check out the Archival Color group at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archivalcolor/

It is moderated by Antonis Ricos my co-moderator of this group and you will
find a lot of other familiar names as well.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "jamiedrouin" <dandy@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink


> Although somewhat off-topic, I feel this is still within the focus of
> this group: I am looking for an archival color ink process that will
> match my MIS Quadtone exhibition prints. I enjoy the velvet, gravure
> quality of the MIS Quadtones with EAM paper and need to find a color
> process which will have the same 'look'. Black plays more than a large
> part in my images, so the process would have to deal with this extra
> well. The color stability would also have to reach well into the
> 70-100 year range.
>
> I have been looking at the new 2200 printer as well as the MIS
> pigment-based color inks, but have no opportunity to see prints from
> either first-hand, so I am relying on the experiences of this group. I
> know that several of you are exhibiting artists, like myself, and have
> probably already researched this question for me.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Jamie.
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink

2002-07-28 by Jerry Olson

Jamie, there are 2 inksets that will do the job for you.

The Generations 4 inkset from http://www.mediastreet.com
and the MIS Archival Color Pigment inks from http://inkjetsupply.com

They're almost identical in appearance. The generations inks have been
tested to a hundred years plus, and they have the best pigment black on
the market, if you want the deepest blacks you can get.

For great results, you need to get a profile made for whichever ink you
get for each paper you use.

Jerry

jamiedrouin wrote:
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> Although somewhat off-topic, I feel this is still within the focus of
> this group: I am looking for an archival color ink process that will
> match my MIS Quadtone exhibition prints. I enjoy the velvet, gravure
> quality of the MIS Quadtones with EAM paper and need to find a color
> process which will have the same 'look'. Black plays more than a large
> part in my images, so the process would have to deal with this extra
> well. The color stability would also have to reach well into the
> 70-100 year range.
> 
> I have been looking at the new 2200 printer as well as the MIS
> pigment-based color inks, but have no opportunity to see prints from
> either first-hand, so I am relying on the experiences of this group. I
> know that several of you are exhibiting artists, like myself, and have
> probably already researched this question for me.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jamie.
> 
> jamie drouin : photographs
> http://www.jamiedrouin.com
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink

2002-07-28 by Robert Morrison

You want the MIS Perpetual ink set...not the MIS archival...which is out
dated and inferior to the Perpetual (and Gen4) set.  The Gen4 set is now
called Enhanced Generations and IT IS NOT an all pigment set...the black has
25% dye in it...while the MIS set is all pigment.

Both of these ink sets are very difficult to profile if you are trying to
get dye-like performance on matte papers...once again, I would strongly
suggest asking this question on the Archival Color list...there is a good
bit of expertise on this topic.

Robert
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On 7/28/02 9:38 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Jamie, there are 2 inksets that will do the job for you.
> 
> The Generations 4 inkset from http://www.mediastreet.com
> and the MIS Archival Color Pigment inks from http://inkjetsupply.com
> 
> They're almost identical in appearance. The generations inks have been
> tested to a hundred years plus, and they have the best pigment black on
> the market, if you want the deepest blacks you can get.
> 
> For great results, you need to get a profile made for whichever ink you
> get for each paper you use.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> jamiedrouin wrote:
>> 
>> Although somewhat off-topic, I feel this is still within the focus of
>> this group: I am looking for an archival color ink process that will
>> match my MIS Quadtone exhibition prints. I enjoy the velvet, gravure
>> quality of the MIS Quadtones with EAM paper and need to find a color
>> process which will have the same 'look'. Black plays more than a large
>> part in my images, so the process would have to deal with this extra
>> well. The color stability would also have to reach well into the
>> 70-100 year range.
>> 
>> I have been looking at the new 2200 printer as well as the MIS
>> pigment-based color inks, but have no opportunity to see prints from
>> either first-hand, so I am relying on the experiences of this group. I
>> know that several of you are exhibiting artists, like myself, and have
>> probably already researched this question for me.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Jamie.
>> 
>> jamie drouin : photographs
>> http://www.jamiedrouin.com
>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
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>> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
>> page.
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>> them short.
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>> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
>> &amp;amp;quot;flames.&amp;amp;quot;
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>> resources on the homepage.
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Re: [Digital BW] Matching MIS Quadtones to a suitable color ink

2002-07-28 by Jerry Olson

Robert, I'm speechless. You mean MIS has yet ANOTHER inkset? I never
heard of Perpetual inks.

I know that the enhanced black from media street Generations inks is the
blackest black I have ever seen. It is about 1-2 percent lighter than
Epson black, which is great. 

I haven't tried the Small Gamut inks from lyson in about 3 years, but I
do know it had a terrific black. (also had terrific Metamerism, but I
understand that has now been fixed). I did get some of the nicest tones
I've ever had from that inkset. I'm about to get another CIS and black
hex inkset for my 1280, and now there's so many choices I don't know
which to get. Whoever would have thought that there ever would be too
many inks to choose from?

If you were doing it from scratch, which black and white inks would you
get and why?


Jerry

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