Digital BW, The Print

Is it really true that Epson is letting you lucky Europeans get not 
only a CD printer capability, but far worse- giving you the grey 
balancer but not to the US customers? Seems to me that will make a lot 
of people mad.

Epson marketing was finally trying to take a stab at something right 
by addressing the b&w sector with these new printers- and then rip the 
software/ comparison card out from under the US folks?

This reminds me of when EAM started to come with watermarks...

Anyone know of anyway to get the grey balancer kit somehow, even for 
addititional $$ in US when the 2200 comes out?

If not, as a suggestion let's bombard Epson with demands for the grey 
balancer. I don't even think it's worth buying without it. Of course I 
haven't seen a test print yet so I'll have to reserve judgement on the 
printer as a whole.
Jim H.

I was shocked when I read the Luminous Landscape review!  Maybe that's why my 
b+w sample from the 2200 suffers from magenta/green metamerism.  I realize 
now that when people talk about metamerism being eliminated from these new 
Epsons, they are talking about color prints.  I, too, cannot see any 
metamerism in color output and the color output is beautiful.

And, Reichmann is retiring Piezo!  My sample comes nowhere near Piezo 
quality.  But, perhaps, he is a better printer than the Epson folks who are 
giving out these samples to try to sell the printers.  I don't know if I can 
trust someone who has re-done his online site in one of the most garish color 
combinations I have ever seen.

Helene


> 
> 
> Is it really true that Epson is letting you lucky Europeans get not 
> only a CD printer capability, but far worse- giving you the grey 
> balancer but not to the US customers? Seems to me that will make a lot 
> of people mad.
> 
> Epson marketing was finally trying to take a stab at something right 
> by addressing the b&w sector with these new printers- and then rip the 
> software/ comparison card out from under the US folks?
> 
> This reminds me of when EAM started to come with watermarks...
> 
> Anyone know of anyway to get the grey balancer kit somehow, even for 
> addititional $$ in US when the 2200 comes out?
> 
> If not, as a suggestion let's bombard Epson with demands for the grey 
> balancer. I don't even think it's worth buying without it. Of course I 
> haven't seen a test print yet so I'll have to reserve judgement on the 
> printer as a whole.
> 



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WHooa....what a post. (grin)

Your mention of garish colors is gonna make me go visit just to see...

S.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: grdglass@... [mailto:grdglass@...]
  Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:26 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 2200 US customers assumed brain dead by Epson?


  I was shocked when I read the Luminous Landscape review!  Maybe that's why
my
  b+w sample from the 2200 suffers from magenta/green metamerism.  I realize
  now that when people talk about metamerism being eliminated from these new
  Epsons, they are talking about color prints.  I, too, cannot see any
  metamerism in color output and the color output is beautiful.

  And, Reichmann is retiring Piezo!  My sample comes nowhere near Piezo
  quality.  But, perhaps, he is a better printer than the Epson folks who
are
  giving out these samples to try to sell the printers.  I don't know if I
can
  trust someone who has re-done his online site in one of the most garish
color
  combinations I have ever seen.

  Helene


  >
  >
  > Is it really true that Epson is letting you lucky Europeans get not
  > only a CD printer capability, but far worse- giving you the grey
  > balancer but not to the US customers? Seems to me that will make a lot
  > of people mad.
  >
  > Epson marketing was finally trying to take a stab at something right
  > by addressing the b&w sector with these new printers- and then rip the
  > software/ comparison card out from under the US folks?
  >
  > This reminds me of when EAM started to come with watermarks...
  >
  > Anyone know of anyway to get the grey balancer kit somehow, even for
  > addititional $$ in US when the 2200 comes out?
  >
  > If not, as a suggestion let's bombard Epson with demands for the grey
  > balancer. I don't even think it's worth buying without it. Of course I
  > haven't seen a test print yet so I'll have to reserve judgement on the
  > printer as a whole.
  >



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On 7/28/02 9:28 AM, "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...> wrote:

> And, Reichmann is retiring Piezo!  My sample comes nowhere near Piezo
> quality.  But, perhaps, he is a better printer than the Epson folks who
> are
> giving out these samples to try to sell the printers.  I don't know if I
> can
> trust someone who has re-done his online site in one of the most garish
> color
> combinations I have ever seen.


Remember Mr. Reichmann also thought enough of the 2000p to make prints for
sale.  I would not have given them away myself.  Everybody has a different
idea about what 'good' quality is.  That being said, I have doe quite a few
B&W prints with Ultrachromes (Photo black on lustre) and my biggest
complaint is not metamerism but the fact that when you print a 21 step
grayscale ramp at 90% the ramp goes to solid black all the way to 100%.  I'm
betting this can be fixed with a better profile or RIP..

Lawrenec

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Lawrence W. Smith Photography
http://www.lwsphoto.com
lsmith@...
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All I've heard about this is that there's no 2200 grey balancer 
software for Mac OS X - yet, I assume. I did hear that the 2200 gets 
something else - can't remember what - instead of the print-on-CD 
function - I think - of the 2100.

Both models get - I believe - some special facility for envelopes! 
Epson's specs for these 2100/2200 printers suggests to me that 
they've engineered them for a photographer who might not have 
Photoshop and wants one printer for all the in-house printing done in 
a small and unspecialized shop - a sort of Swiss army knife.

Sam McCandless              samcc@...

>Is it really true that Epson is letting you lucky Europeans get not
>only a CD printer capability, but far worse- giving you the grey
>balancer but not to the US customers? Seems to me that will make a lot
>of people mad.
>
>Epson marketing was finally trying to take a stab at something right
>by addressing the b&w sector with these new printers- and then rip the
>software/ comparison card out from under the US folks?
>
>This reminds me of when EAM started to come with watermarks...
>
>Anyone know of anyway to get the grey balancer kit somehow, even for
>addititional $$ in US when the 2200 comes out?
>
>If not, as a suggestion let's bombard Epson with demands for the grey
>balancer. I don't even think it's worth buying without it. Of course I
>haven't seen a test print yet so I'll have to reserve judgement on the
>printer as a whole.
>Jim H.

On 7/28/02 9:33 AM, "Sam A. McCandless" <samcc@...> wrote:

> All I've heard about this is that there's no 2200 grey balancer
> software for Mac OS X - yet, I assume. I did hear that the 2200 gets
> something else - can't remember what - instead of the print-on-CD
> function - I think - of the 2100.

Now that makes sense.  My guess is that they will include the hardware they
need for the grey balancer and then upgrade the driver when jaguar (Mac
OS10.2) ships at the end of August.  Apparently this upgrade will fix all of
the OSX printing deficiencies.  Personally I would never consider making the
prints that you know do with a quad workflow with the 2200...not as good and
too expensive.  However, for those of us running the piezotones now on our
quad printers...I think an occasional print on the 2200 to get "VM-like"
tones might be a useful option.

Robert

In a message dated 7/28/02 9:26:20 AM, grdglass@... writes:

>I was shocked when I read the Luminous Landscape review!  Maybe that's
>why my 
>b+w sample from the 2200 suffers from magenta/green metamerism. 

The gray balancer could not do anything to eliminate the magenta to green 
shift of B&W prints under different light sources, only target a neutral 
print under one specific source. Printing in black ink only mode would 
eliminate the shift, but cause you to lose the ability to adjust the color 
tone.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

David,

Does 'black ink only' mode on the 2200 use the light black as well, or only
the photo or matte black?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: <CDTobie@...>

 Printing in black ink only mode would
> eliminate the shift, but cause you to lose the ability to adjust the color
> tone.

In a message dated 7/30/02 8:53:41 AM, bobfrost@... writes:

>Does 'black ink only' mode on the 2200 use the light black as well, or
>only
>the photo or matte black?

Black only is black only (too bad really...) but that is still amazingly 
smooth... even the 5500 makes suprisingly smooth black only prints, though of 
course you need to use an appropriate luster or gloss paper, or the blacks 
will be weak.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...