Digital BW, The Print

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From: "Lawrence Smith" <lsmith@...>
To: "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint yahoogroups.com"
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Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7600/9600 B/W Output Not What I
HopedFor.
>
> At the end of the day, I may still get a 7000 to do my larger piezo
> printing.  However, I bought the 9600 to do color and make big digital
> negatives to use for making platinum prints and if I can also tweak it to
> make good B&W prints than so much better.  I remain confident that it will
> be a viable solution for at least a portion of of my B&W printing...

Lawrence, you follow the 9000 list as well as I understand it. In monochrome
the 9600 prints with only the black ink. Maybe there's an 8 pass facility to
get a better B&W result that way a la 10000. Printing B&W on the 9600 will
use Black, Grey and Lc,Lm,Y for the lightest parts. Will the last not affect
a strange exposure difference on silverprints ? To me it seems that there
must be a difference in (actinic) light if one compares the composite greys
with the single ink greys.

So far I heard only rumours that RIP manufacturers have a Black + Grey
monochrome printing mode for the x600 Epsons. It is a pity that Epson didn't
add an extra grey on the printer, with 3 greys and the droplet sizes of
those printers it would have been easy to get B&W equal to the quad/hexatone
of older models.

Ernst

On 7/29/02 8:21 PM, "Ernst Dinkla" <e.dinkla@...> wrote:

> Lawrence, you follow the 9000 list as well as I understand it.

I do indeed.

> In monochrome
> the 9600 prints with only the black ink. Maybe there's an 8 pass facility to
> get a better B&W result that way a la 10000.

I've been looking for any mention of this in the docs but have yet to find
anything.  I guess Epson has to leave a few differentiating features in the
10000 that costs 2x as much.

> Printing B&W on the 9600 will
> use Black, Grey and Lc,Lm,Y for the lightest parts. Will the last not affect
> a strange exposure difference on silverprints ?

It may and I don't have an answer yet.  I just received my pictorico sheets
to begin testing.  I can offer that a friend of mine is using her C80 (not
the same I know but still using the color inks to produce her negs) and is
getting great results.  She is a long time platinum printer who's opinion I
trust.

I will let you know how the tests go.

Lawrence

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Larry,

You will not be disappointed.

I have been making digital negatives on my Epson 10k and the results 
are outstanding. I have been refining the curves and should be 
in "printing" mode shortly. I have been making small negs for 
testing, but with Pictorico now selling the OHP in 24" rolls, the 
possibilities are endless.

With the tight tight dot pattern of the 9600 (like the 10000) I think 
you will be amazed at what can be done. BTW, I started with 
Burkholder 2000P curve and have been refining it from there using 
the "Color Fill" method as well as the 6 color method.

Let me know how you progress.

Mike



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Lawrence Smith 
<lsmith@l...> wrote:
> On 7/29/02 8:21 PM, "Ernst Dinkla" <e.dinkla@c...> wrote:
> 
> > Lawrence, you follow the 9000 list as well as I understand it.
> 
> I do indeed.
> 
> > In monochrome
> > the 9600 prints with only the black ink. Maybe there's an 8 pass 
facility to
> > get a better B&W result that way a la 10000.
> 
> I've been looking for any mention of this in the docs but have yet 
to find
> anything.  I guess Epson has to leave a few differentiating 
features in the
> 10000 that costs 2x as much.
> 
> > Printing B&W on the 9600 will
> > use Black, Grey and Lc,Lm,Y for the lightest parts. Will the last 
not affect
> > a strange exposure difference on silverprints ?
> 
> It may and I don't have an answer yet.  I just received my 
pictorico sheets
> to begin testing.  I can offer that a friend of mine is using her 
C80 (not
> the same I know but still using the color inks to produce her negs) 
and is
> getting great results.  She is a long time platinum printer who's 
opinion I

> trust.
> 
> I will let you know how the tests go.
> 
> Lawrence
> 
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> Lawrence W. Smith Photography
> http://www.lwsphoto.com
> lsmith@l...
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On 7/30/02 12:04 PM, "mkravit" <mjkaia@...> wrote:

> With the tight tight dot pattern of the 9600 (like the 10000) I think
> you will be amazed at what can be done. BTW, I started with
> Burkholder 2000P curve and have been refining it from there using
> the "Color Fill" method as well as the 6 color method.


Mike,

Thanks for the tip.  I'm going to begin in earnest in the next few days.
I'm really excited about this approach.  I really view it as the best of
both worlds if I can make produce the results I hope for.

Lawrence


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