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2002-08-05 by Truman Prevatt
Darren Collins wrote: > I don't know much about framing etc, but the stuff I've had framed > professionally also had some sort of tape running right around the back of > the frame, completely covering the gap between the frame and the filler > board. I'm guessing this is to seal the print inside and reduce the > incursion of corrosive atmospheric gases and/or dust particles. > and more importantly insects. Truman
2002-08-05 by Darren Collins
I don't know much about framing etc, but the stuff I've had framed professionally also had some sort of tape running right around the back of the frame, completely covering the gap between the frame and the filler board. I'm guessing this is to seal the print inside and reduce the incursion of corrosive atmospheric gases and/or dust particles.
-----Original Message----- I'm going to start framing prints in archival frames and was wondering what techniques and materials other people use. I must admit that after reading up a bit on some websites I'm still a bit confused as to all the components that make up a properly framed print - the framing terminology seems to vary from site to site. Here's what I think I need to do & I'd be grateful if anyone could comment upon whether I have a correct system: 1. Front-most part of the frame is the glass. I intend to buy pre-made frames from Nielsen so I don't have to cut my own glass or make my own frames. 2. Next comes the window mat. I have a mat cutter which does a decent job so it's just a case of picking my mat board carefully. Looks like I may choose from the Bainbridge range. As far as I can tell whether you choose 2-ply or 4-ply, etc. is just down to aesthetics and how deep a bevel you like on your mat. Correct? 3. Next comes the print itself. Not much to say about that. 4. Next comes the backboard. The print itself will be attached to this and I intend to do so using a simple T-hinge with Japanese hinging paper and rice starch. Also the window mat and this backboard will be hinged with some linen cloth tape. Now I've heard that perhaps this backing board should be of exactly the same material as the window mat - is this correct? If none of the backboard will be seen through the window mat can I get away with using slightly thinner, but of equal archive quality, board? 5. Finally at the very back of the frame is some sort of stiff board. With ready made frames there is already a board supplied against which some of the hanging clips press. I don't know whether this is of archival quality so I will probably have to replace it with something else. Should this something else be foamboard (what is foamboard for that matter)? I'm not sure what people call this back-most board (I've also heard it called filler board I think), nor do I know what it is made from so any guidance here would be gratefully received - I suppose it has to be strong enough to withstand any compression from hanging clips pressed against it. I have also heard mention of some sort of vapour barrier that fits somewhere into the system. Is this something I should be considering and, if so, where does this fit into my framing sandwich?! Many thanks, -- Tony Terlecki ajt@... Running Debian/GNU 3.0 Linux Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-08-06 by Ken Carney
Tony: Here is what I do, essentially the same procedure as for silver prints. You might give some thought to the frame size. I don't print large (usually max at appx 11x16 image size), and frame everything in a 16x20 frame, even the 5x7 prints. That way, when you have an exhibit, there is some uniformity. The gallery frames are good (Nielsen), all in black. With photos, I think less is more so far as the frame. You might also try the convenient backloading gallery frames from Light Impressions. The print should be placed slightly high of center on the mat board. Light Impressions makes a plastic T-square jig that positions the print correctly for optical center. I dry-mount the prints in a big Seal press, with Seal Colormount tissue. The overmat is a window mat, 1/2" border on top and sides and 1 1/4" on the bottom. This allows a matching of the mount board and the overmat, plus room to sign and date on the mat board. You can certainly use 2-ply for the mount board and 4-ply for the overmat, but remember you may want just matted prints, e.g., for a portfolio to carry, in which case 4-ply for both is best. I suggest using Lucite or plexiglass instead of glass. It is a bear to use because of static, but much safer to ship and handle. I have had good luck with Bainbridge, particularly Alpha-care museum board. You'll do yourself a favor by picking one mat board and using it for everything. I use white 100% rag museum board for everything. I don't have any decisions or stocking problems, and it looks good with photos. Some like a slightly warmer board. You'll want to stay away from laminated boards, such as Crescent. They are never really white and soak up light instead of showing your print to best advantage. An acid-free foam backing board (Light Impressions again) works fine. Using the pressure clips that come with the Nielsen frame will seal the print adequately, which is important. To a bug, museum board is Beluga caviar. Good luck and hope this helps. I see a lot of really decent prints in awful frames. --Ken Carney
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Terlecki
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:58 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Archive Framing
I'm going to start framing prints in archival frames and was wondering what
techniques and materials other people use. I must admit that after reading
up a bit on some websites I'm still a bit confused as to all the components
that make up a properly framed print - the framing terminology seems to vary
from site to site. Here's what I think I need to do & I'd be grateful if
anyone could comment upon whether I have a correct system:
1. Front-most part of the frame is the glass. I intend to buy pre-made
frames from Nielsen so I don't have to cut my own glass or make my own
frames.
2. Next comes the window mat. I have a mat cutter which does a decent job so
it's just a case of picking my mat board carefully. Looks like I may choose
from the Bainbridge range. As far as I can tell whether you choose 2-ply or
4-ply, etc. is just down to aesthetics and how deep a bevel you like on your
mat. Correct?
3. Next comes the print itself. Not much to say about that.
4. Next comes the backboard. The print itself will be attached to this and I
intend to do so using a simple T-hinge with Japanese hinging paper and rice
starch. Also the window mat and this backboard will be hinged with some linen
cloth tape.
Now I've heard that perhaps this backing board should be of exactly the same
material as the window mat - is this correct? If none of the backboard will
be seen through the window mat can I get away with using slightly thinner,
but of equal archive quality, board?
5. Finally at the very back of the frame is some sort of stiff board. With
ready made frames there is already a board supplied against which some of the
hanging clips press. I don't know whether this is of archival quality so I
will probably have to replace it with something else. Should this something
else be foamboard (what is foamboard for that matter)? I'm not sure what people
call this back-most board (I've also heard it called filler board I think), nor
do I know what it is made from so any guidance here would be gratefully received
- I suppose it has to be strong enough to withstand any compression from
hanging clips pressed against it.
I have also heard mention of some sort of vapour barrier that fits somewhere
into the system. Is this something I should be considering and, if so, where
does this fit into my framing sandwich?!
Many thanks,
--
Tony Terlecki
ajt@...
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-08-07 by A. Huntley
Tony, I think Ken's reply covered the subject pretty well. FWIW, I'll pass on my framing "technique." It hasn't changed much from framing silver prints to doing digital prints. BTW, I primarily deal with Light Impressions (www.lightimpressionsdirect.com) for all items needed; mat board, frames, etc. I use the following: 1. Nielsen frame (#110 pre-cut from Light Impressions). 2. Westminster mount board (100% rag - bright white); 4-ply for window, and 2-ply for backing. 3. Max-View (or whatever LI calls them) polyethylene photo corners. 4. Archival corrugated board. 5. Glass. The window mat and backing board are hinged with linen tape. Digital photo is positioned properly on the backing board using the photo corners to hold in place. "Sandwich" of glass-window/photo/backing board-corrugated board is slid into the frame and, then, the clips as supplied in LI's hardware kit are inserted into the back. These clips apply pressure forward toward the front of the frame which holds everything securely. I don't use any vapor barrier or anything attached to the back of the frame to keep bugs, etc., out. I have, on occasion, had a bug manage to work its way onto the front of the window mat. I simply take the frame apart, clean everything, and put back together. Hasn't been a real problem, though. Also, I have thought about using a UV acrylic that LI sells, instead of the glass, but it's kind of expensive so I just keep using plain 'ole glass. Hope this helps. Best regards, Alan
-----Original Message----- From: Tony Terlecki [SMTP:ajt@...] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:59 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] OT: Archive Framing I'm going to start framing prints in archival frames and was wondering what techniques and materials other people use. I must admit that after reading up a bit on some websites I'm still a bit confused as to all the components that make up a properly framed print - the framing terminology seems to vary from site to site. Here's what I think I need to do & I'd be grateful if anyone could comment upon whether I have a correct system: 1. Front-most part of the frame is the glass. I intend to buy pre-made frames from Nielsen so I don't have to cut my own glass or make my own frames. 2. Next comes the window mat. I have a mat cutter which does a decent job so it's just a case of picking my mat board carefully. Looks like I may choose from the Bainbridge range. As far as I can tell whether you choose 2-ply or 4-ply, etc. is just down to aesthetics and how deep a bevel you like on your mat. Correct? 3. Next comes the print itself. Not much to say about that. 4. Next comes the backboard. The print itself will be attached to this and I intend to do so using a simple T-hinge with Japanese hinging paper and rice starch. Also the window mat and this backboard will be hinged with some linen cloth tape. Now I've heard that perhaps this backing board should be of exactly the same material as the window mat - is this correct? If none of the backboard will be seen through the window mat can I get away with using slightly thinner, but of equal archive quality, board? 5. Finally at the very back of the frame is some sort of stiff board. With ready made frames there is already a board supplied against which some of the hanging clips press. I don't know whether this is of archival quality so I will probably have to replace it with something else. Should this something else be foamboard (what is foamboard for that matter)? I'm not sure what people call this back-most board (I've also heard it called filler board I think), nor do I know what it is made from so any guidance here would be gratefully received - I suppose it has to be strong enough to withstand any compression from hanging clips pressed against it. I have also heard mention of some sort of vapour barrier that fits somewhere into the system. Is this something I should be considering and, if so, where does this fit into my framing sandwich?! Many thanks, -- Tony Terlecki ajt@... Running Debian/GNU 3.0 Linux Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-08-07 by Ken Carney
I forgot to mention: Be sure you're getting the correct mat board (buffered vs. non-buffered) depending on what kind of print you are mounting. The people at Light Impressions can help you with this. -Ken
----- Original Message ----- From: A. Huntley To: 'DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [Digital BW] OT: Archive Framing Tony, I think Ken's reply covered the subject pretty well. FWIW, I'll pass on my framing "technique." It hasn't changed much from framing silver prints to doing digital prints. BTW, I primarily deal with Light Impressions (www.lightimpressionsdirect.com) for all items needed; mat board, frames, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]