Digital BW, The Print

Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...  

As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for PiezoTones 
carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, prevalent are 
these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with the new 
inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent prints ?  If 
so, why are others posting such problems.  

Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 2200 and 
buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital prints.  Could 
be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from piezography.  Help 
and guidance would be appreciated.

Lawrence,

You know there is one option that does not get discussed much. This 
the FS-E inks from MIS. These inks can be used with the Epson driver, 
which will give you deeper blacks than Pizeography right off the bat. 
A very simple curve in grayscale is used to linearize the image, and 
viola!

I have been using a similar approach using FS inks, by switching ink 
positions. It is outlined in the FS pages of inkjetgoodies.com (I 
have no ties of any sort). But, I am sure the FS-E inks are equally 
capable.

Good luck.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lawrencetrek" 
<ltitle@i...> wrote:
> Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...  
> 
> As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for 
PiezoTones 
> carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, 
prevalent are 
> these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with 
the new 
> inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent 
prints ?  If 
> so, why are others posting such problems.  
> 
> Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 
2200 and 
> buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital 
prints.  Could 
> be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from 
piezography.  Help 
> and guidance would be appreciated.

Lawrence-

I haven't wanted to jump in with a Piezo bashing thread, but I can 
give you my experience with the piezotones.

I got really fantastic looking prints on my 1160 with the neutral-
warm carts...really great...for 2 sets of carts, then the banding 
started. Sound familiar? I began spending more time cleaning the 
printer than using it for printing. 

I give up. I just don't want to go through the whole issue of "what's 
wrong or not with the inks" again. So I went back to MIS FS and 
installed a CIS so I wouldn't have a choice in the matter for at 
least a few months <g> (I have pint bottles). 

Was it the ink? Who knows. I'm getting a little banding with the FS 
ink now (I didn't before I loaded the piezotone) (this also happened 
when I switched back from the PiezoBW inks for a while). We'll see if 
the banding clears over time...if it does, I'll stay away from the 
piezsotones until there is a revision and then try them again because 
I really respect Jon Cone and love his software (logic would dictate 
that his inks should work best with his software), but the clog and 
band issue just takes the fun out of digital printing, so I'm 
stepping back from the experiment for now.

BTW, I'd been using FSN ink and forgot just how great the FS is (I'm 
mostly using the piezo driver).

Just my two cents...

Tom O'Connell

TomOC@...
www.thomasoconnell.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "lawrencetrek" 
<ltitle@i...> wrote:
> Microbanding, clogging, and now clipping ...  
> 
> As I debate making an investment into a new 1280 printer for 
PiezoTones 
> carts, some of you guys are continuing to scare me off.  How, 
prevalent are 
> these problems ?  Are any of you having trouble free printing with 
the new 
> inks (with the 1280 carts rather than CIS) and producing excellent 
prints ?  If 
> so, why are others posting such problems.  
> 
> Now, I am starting to consider the prospect of buying the Epson 
2200 and 
> buying custom printer profiles to try to produce my B/W digital 
prints.  Could 
> be less stressful until more of the kinks are removed from 
piezography.  Help 
> and guidance would be appreciated.

Perhaps, for those of us new to this group and this technology, someone
could take the time to make up a glossary of common terms and
(especially) acronyms and post it to the "files" section?  I, for one,
would much appreciate it.
 
Thank you,
 
Karl Wolz
 
 
piezotones.

 MIS FS and 

installed a CIS 
 
 PiezoBW inks 

 FSN ink and forgot just how great the FS is (I'm 
mostly using the piezo driver).. 


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Being a semi-beginner myself in this I know what you are talking about.
However time well spent would be checking out the Files, Bookmarks and
Database links at this list's home site:

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint

I also "defined" a few terms for you below:


Thursday, August 8, 2002, 9:55:45 AM, Karl Wolz wrote:

KW> piezotones.  PiezoBW inks

The newest inks from ConeTech.  Go here for more:

<http://www.inkjetmall.com/>

KW>  MIS FS

MIS Associates and their Full Spectrum ink

Here for more:

<http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html>

KW> installed a CIS

Continuos Ink Supply, aka, CFS or Continuous Flow System

Here for more:

<http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezographyBW-cis.html>

and here:

<http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/cobra.html>

KW>  FSN ink

Full Spectrum - Neutral ink (see inksupply.com link above)

KW> piezo driver)..

Short for Piezography BW software. Go here:

<http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezographyBW.html>




Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Great list of products Richard. FYI: You can also find out about all 
of these solutions in one place - www.inkjetgoodies.com  We carry all 
of the mentioned products, and can answer any questions about them.

Also, the PiezoBW software coupon that we offered to this group is 
still valid should any one need it (digitalbw).

Thanks.
Gregory Schern
Inkjet Goodies

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Richard Sintchak 
<richard@c...> wrote:
> Being a semi-beginner myself in this I know what you are talking 
about.
> However time well spent would be checking out the Files, Bookmarks 
and

> Database links at this list's home site:
> 
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> I also "defined" a few terms for you below:
> 
> 
> Thursday, August 8, 2002, 9:55:45 AM, Karl Wolz wrote:
> 
> KW> piezotones.  PiezoBW inks
> 
> The newest inks from ConeTech.  Go here for more:
> 
> <http://www.inkjetmall.com/>
> 
> KW>  MIS FS
> 
> MIS Associates and their Full Spectrum ink
> 
> Here for more:
> 
> <http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/quadtone.html>
> 
> KW> installed a CIS
> 
> Continuos Ink Supply, aka, CFS or Continuous Flow System
> 
> Here for more:
> 
> <http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezographyBW-cis.html>
> 
> and here:
> 
> <http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/cobra.html>
> 
> KW>  FSN ink
> 
> Full Spectrum - Neutral ink (see inksupply.com link above)
> 
> KW> piezo driver)..
> 
> Short for Piezography BW software. Go here:
> 
> <http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/piezographyBW.html>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
>  Richard  
> 
> mailto:richard@c...

Thursday, August 8, 2002, 10:34:44 AM, gschern wrote:

g> Great list of products Richard. FYI: You can also find out about all 
g> of these solutions in one place - www.inkjetgoodies.com  We carry all 
g> of the mentioned products, and can answer any questions about them.

g> Also, the PiezoBW software coupon that we offered to this group is 
g> still valid should any one need it (digitalbw).

g> Thanks.
g> Gregory Schern
g> Inkjet Goodies


Yes!  I should have mentioned Greg's site.  After all that is where I
got my MIS FS inks!

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

My 2c:

I've been using the MIS VM inks in a 1280 with NMC CIS for 9-10 months. That
time frame includes both dry winter weather as well air-conditioned summer
humidity in Indiana.

The printer sits idle for days at a time. I just started on my second bottle
of inks and new carts/tubing a few weeks ago. I simply don't have problems
with clogs. Period. It's been (knock on wood!) an extraordinarily
trouble-free combination for me. I love it!

Tom Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.

I am in the same situation that you are (were) in.  I bought a 1280 
and was about to invest in Piezography until I started hearing about 
both how well the 2200 B&W prints are along with the clogging 
problems with Piezography ink.  What did you conclude?

I do not print very frequently (anywhere from 1-4 weeks between print 
jobs)...I didn't have a chance to scan all the messages, but is 
anyone saying that CIS systems are not appropriate for users like me 
since the setup stays idle?  Or is clogging something that we will 
experience independent of whether it is CIS or cartridge?

thanks in advance