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Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-23 by dmeriwether16

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
> >I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
> >from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
> >Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
> >suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
> >
> >
> 
> D.
> 
> Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much
useful help.
> Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the
comparison?
> Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems are
> notoriously subject to numerous local variables. 
> 
> AZ
> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>          or
> keyword.com lookaround

Perhaps I was not clear. 
1) Background: I have good knowledge in Photoshop with b/w editing,
etc., and coaching from one of the top pro's in town who has been
making a living in digital and Photoshop since the earlier '90s. But
he does color only. I can't find anyone in my rather large city who
does bw piezo, either private or business. I have an Epson 1280 that I
have used for MIS experimenting, but I am not satified with outputs
that have good range but still look "flat."
2) Clarification: I am NOT looking for one lab that will do both
systems. I am just looking for any lab that will run a print from a
file with no editing using either system. What I want is what a
chemical custom lab would call a "machine print" instead of a "custom
print," in essence a "proof" from a best possible.  I want to be able
to compare outputs of my edited digital image without editing
variables by the lab. I have searched the web, and frankly, I cannot
find any lab that advertises MIS process (which makes me sceptical in
spite of the great help and feedback from Roark, et. al.). Before I
make a major investment in $$ and a bigger commitment to a system, I
just want to see the print from someone who already knows how to print
and knows their system is set up correctly. I know how to edit in
Photoshop, etc., but matching and printing are delicate things. I am
just looking for additional data before I make a decision.
3) Motivation: Before I invest in one or the other system I would like
some reference point with a print from the same image so that I can
compare shadow detail, highlight washout, etc. Looking at the Cone
sample does not do me any more good than not being able to find an MIS
sample. So I would like to buy my own samples from the two systems
from someone who is set up to produce about as good an output as they
can get.

Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-23 by Cynthia Del Conte

dmeriwether16 wrote:--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
> >I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
> >from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
> >Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
> >suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
> >
> >
> 
> D.
> 
> Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much
useful help.
> Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the
comparison?
> Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems are
> notoriously subject to numerous local variables. 
> 
> AZ
> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>          or
> keyword.com lookaround

Perhaps I was not clear. 
1) Background: I have good knowledge in Photoshop with b/w editing,
etc., and coaching from one of the top pro's in town who has been
making a living in digital and Photoshop since the earlier '90s. But
he does color only. I can't find anyone in my rather large city who
does bw piezo, either private or business. I have an Epson 1280 that I
have used for MIS experimenting, but I am not satified with outputs
that have good range but still look "flat."
2) Clarification: I am NOT looking for one lab that will do both
systems. I am just looking for any lab that will run a print from a
file with no editing using either system. What I want is what a
chemical custom lab would call a "machine print" instead of a "custom
print," in essence a "proof" from a best possible.  I want to be able
to compare outputs of my edited digital image without editing
variables by the lab. I have searched the web, and frankly, I cannot
find any lab that advertises MIS process (which makes me sceptical in
spite of the great help and feedback from Roark, et. al.). Before I
make a major investment in $$ and a bigger commitment to a system, I
just want to see the print from someone who already knows how to print
and knows their system is set up correctly. I know how to edit in
Photoshop, etc., but matching and printing are delicate things. I am
just looking for additional data before I make a decision.
3) Motivation: Before I invest in one or the other system I would like
some reference point with a print from the same image so that I can
compare shadow detail, highlight washout, etc. Looking at the Cone
sample does not do me any more good than not being able to find an MIS
sample. So I would like to buy my own samples from the two systems
from someone who is set up to produce about as good an output as they
can get.


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Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-23 by Cynthia Del Conte

Try Jon Cone at Cone editions...or call inkjetmall.com they also teach piezography workshops and really are the masters
 Cynthia Del Conte wrote:

dmeriwether16 wrote:--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
> >I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
> >from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
> >Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
> >suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
> >
> >
> 
> D.
> 
> Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much
useful help.
> Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the
comparison?
> Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems are
> notoriously subject to numerous local variables. 
> 
> AZ
> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>          or
> keyword.com lookaround

Perhaps I was not clear. 
1) Background: I have good knowledge in Photoshop with b/w editing,
etc., and coaching from one of the top pro's in town who has been
making a living in digital and Photoshop since the earlier '90s. But
he does color only. I can't find anyone in my rather large city who
does bw piezo, either private or business. I have an Epson 1280 that I
have used for MIS experimenting, but I am not satified with outputs
that have good range but still look "flat."
2) Clarification: I am NOT looking for one lab that will do both
systems. I am just looking for any lab that will run a print from a
file with no editing using either system. What I want is what a
chemical custom lab would call a "machine print" instead of a "custom
print," in essence a "proof" from a best possible.  I want to be able
to compare outputs of my edited digital image without editing
variables by the lab. I have searched the web, and frankly, I cannot
find any lab that advertises MIS process (which makes me sceptical in
spite of the great help and feedback from Roark, et. al.). Before I
make a major investment in $$ and a bigger commitment to a system, I
just want to see the print from someone who already knows how to print
and knows their system is set up correctly. I know how to edit in
Photoshop, etc., but matching and printing are delicate things. I am
just looking for additional data before I make a decision.
3) Motivation: Before I invest in one or the other system I would like
some reference point with a print from the same image so that I can
compare shadow detail, highlight washout, etc. Looking at the Cone
sample does not do me any more good than not being able to find an MIS
sample. So I would like to buy my own samples from the two systems
from someone who is set up to produce about as good an output as they
can get.


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Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-23 by Alan Zinn

At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
>from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
>Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
>suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
>
>

D.

Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much useful help.
Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the comparison?
Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems are
notoriously subject to numerous local variables. 

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.panoramacamera.us
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-23 by Patricia Ternahan

try Pictopia.com
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On Friday, August 23, 2002, at 07:40 AM, Cynthia Del Conte wrote:

>
>
>  dmeriwether16 wrote:--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan 
> Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
>> At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>>> I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
>>> from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
>>> Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
>>> suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> D.
>>
>> Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much
> useful help.
>> Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the
> comparison?
>> Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems 
>> are
>> notoriously subject to numerous local variables.
>>
>> AZ
>> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
>> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>>          or
>> keyword.com lookaround
>
> Perhaps I was not clear.
> 1) Background: I have good knowledge in Photoshop with b/w editing,
> etc., and coaching from one of the top pro's in town who has been
> making a living in digital and Photoshop since the earlier '90s. But
> he does color only. I can't find anyone in my rather large city who
> does bw piezo, either private or business. I have an Epson 1280 that I
> have used for MIS experimenting, but I am not satified with outputs
> that have good range but still look "flat."
> 2) Clarification: I am NOT looking for one lab that will do both
> systems. I am just looking for any lab that will run a print from a
> file with no editing using either system. What I want is what a
> chemical custom lab would call a "machine print" instead of a "custom
> print," in essence a "proof" from a best possible.  I want to be able
> to compare outputs of my edited digital image without editing
> variables by the lab. I have searched the web, and frankly, I cannot
> find any lab that advertises MIS process (which makes me sceptical in
> spite of the great help and feedback from Roark, et. al.). Before I
> make a major investment in $$ and a bigger commitment to a system, I
> just want to see the print from someone who already knows how to print
> and knows their system is set up correctly. I know how to edit in
> Photoshop, etc., but matching and printing are delicate things. I am
> just looking for additional data before I make a decision.
> 3) Motivation: Before I invest in one or the other system I would like
> some reference point with a print from the same image so that I can
> compare shadow detail, highlight washout, etc. Looking at the Cone
> sample does not do me any more good than not being able to find an MIS
> sample. So I would like to buy my own samples from the two systems
> from someone who is set up to produce about as good an output as they
> can get.
>
>
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>
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Re: [Digital BW] Print comparison of MIS and Cone Piezo output

2002-08-24 by Alan Zinn

At 02:30 PM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
>> At 01:51 AM 8/23/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>> >I am looking for a "custom lab" that can give me a straight 8x10 print
>> >from a Photoshop bw file. I want to compare results of MIS and Cone
>> >Piezo outputs on the same paper from the same file. Does anyone have
>> >suggestions of a printer who would do either or both processes?
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> D.
>> 
>> Seems to me you are asking a lot of a lab and will not get much
>useful help.
>> Why would a lab have BOTH systems working perfectly to make the
>comparison?
>> Also if they did what good would it do anyone else since the systems are
>> notoriously subject to numerous local variables. 
>> 
>> AZ
>> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
>> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>>          or
>> keyword.com lookaround
>
>Perhaps I was not clear. 
>1) Background: I have good knowledge in Photoshop with b/w editing,
>etc., and coaching from one of the top pro's in town who has been
>making a living in digital and Photoshop since the earlier '90s. But
>he does color only. I can't find anyone in my rather large city who
>does bw piezo, either private or business. I have an Epson 1280 that I
>have used for MIS experimenting, but I am not satified with outputs
>that have good range but still look "flat."
>2) Clarification: I am NOT looking for one lab that will do both
>systems. I am just looking for any lab that will run a print from a
>file with no editing using either system. What I want is what a
>chemical custom lab would call a "machine print" instead of a "custom
>print," in essence a "proof" from a best possible.  I want to be able
>to compare outputs of my edited digital image without editing
>variables by the lab. I have searched the web, and frankly, I cannot
>find any lab that advertises MIS process (which makes me sceptical in
>spite of the great help and feedback from Roark, et. al.). Before I
>make a major investment in $$ and a bigger commitment to a system, I
>just want to see the print from someone who already knows how to print
>and knows their system is set up correctly. I know how to edit in
>Photoshop, etc., but matching and printing are delicate things. I am
>just looking for additional data before I make a decision.
>3) Motivation: Before I invest in one or the other system I would like
>some reference point with a print from the same image so that I can
>compare shadow detail, highlight washout, etc. Looking at the Cone
>sample does not do me any more good than not being able to find an MIS
>sample. So I would like to buy my own samples from the two systems
>from someone who is set up to produce about as good an output as they
>can get.
>
>

D.

Here is a URL for an outfit that advertises Piezo prints: westcoastimaging.com

800-799-4576

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.panoramacamera.us
         or
keyword.com lookaround

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