Digital BW, The Print

Bo,

That idea came up somewhere way back when. Some people were talking about
dipping sheets of paper in weak tea or coffee to give a mottled brown stain,
drying them and then printing on them. I don't know if anyone actually did
this or not.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bo Wrangborg" <sm7bxd@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Tinting the paper before or after?


> Hallo fellows,
>
> just got a crazy idea... It might have been up before .. then I do
> excause! (I did a search but didn't find anything)
>
> We are here talking about "can I reach that tone" etc etc
> I like it!
>
> What about me throwing out this idea in the space:
> With tinted inks (not in cartriges....) can we not tint the paper
> before or after the print is made by FS-N or any other
> rather "Quad/Piezo neautral method".
>
> Spray or dump cloth with "good" tint or any other good idea from a
> genius fellow here in this group. In a way we do it in the wet
> darkroom. This could be done as dodging, or on the whole of the
> print/paper?????
>
>
>
> Just a thought of mine.
> Anyone doing this out there?
> MIS have all the archival tints - just a method for it.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bo Wrangborg
> Sweden
>
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Hi Martin,

Quote You,
>dipping sheets of paper in weak tea or coffee to give a mottled 
>brown stain,
End Quote

Hrrm..Smile...- it was not on *that* level I was thinking. This group 
must be very old - did you have tea and coffee in the carts at that 
time as well? Who knows - Tinting papers with Coca-Cola might give 
you a more sweet look!
It's carbonized - not? So it must be fade resistant.......<g>

OK....
If I put it this way - is there a "brown" paper out there, and has 
anyone tried a neutral print on it. If - what was the result?
Many in this group I think do experiment with inks and papers, and 
find it interesting.
Did that neutral ink cover the "brown" or tinted paper?
Just curious! (Might start experimenting myself...)

Lux!
Bo


However I get your point here - my idea was totaly irrelevant!
I also see a problem here if I pre-tint a paper the printing might 
cover the tint - however doing it afterwards should be theoreticaly 
be a better aproach. 
OK I throw that crazy idea away - but who knows.....I might...


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Bo,
> 
> That idea came up somewhere way back when. Some people were talking 
about
> dipping sheets of paper in weak tea or coffee to give a mottled 
brown stain,
> drying them and then printing on them. I don't know if anyone 
actually did
> this or not.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bo Wrangborg" <sm7bxd@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:29 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Tinting the paper before or after?
> 
> 
> > Hallo fellows,
> >
> > just got a crazy idea... It might have been up before .. then I do
> > excause! (I did a search but didn't find anything)
> >
> > We are here talking about "can I reach that tone" etc etc
> > I like it!
> >
> > What about me throwing out this idea in the space:
> > With tinted inks (not in cartriges....) can we not tint the paper
> > before or after the print is made by FS-N or any other
> > rather "Quad/Piezo neautral method".
> >
> > Spray or dump cloth with "good" tint or any other good idea from a
> > genius fellow here in this group. In a way we do it in the wet
> > darkroom. This could be done as dodging, or on the whole of the
> > print/paper?????
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a thought of mine.
> > Anyone doing this out there?
> > MIS have all the archival tints - just a method for it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Bo Wrangborg
> > Sweden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Funny you should mention that.

I own four Tom Baril (silver) prints that are absolutely beautiful.  He is known 
to tone his photographic paper in weak tea, which gives it this beautiful warm 
tone.  The prints look like platinum.  For those of you that don't know, Tom I 
believe started off primarily printing (he was Robert Mapplethorpe's printer).  
More recently Tom started spending more time with the camera (pinholes, 
view camera etc) and produces these amazing photographic prints (many 
dipped in tea etc.).  

Bio:

While still a student, Tom Baril began his career in the arts by becoming the 
printer for Robert Mapplethorpe. Working closely with Mapplethorpe to 
develop his signature style, Baril gained a reputation as a master printer. Over 
time, Baril began to create his own distinctive photographs, focusing on the 
urban landscape and the still life. His botanical studies are often taken with a 
pinhole camera. "In an age when the medium is becoming more and more 
high tech," said Baril, "I borrow from the past to create something which is 
both faithful to the tradition and something that is uniquely mine." Baril's 
photographs are included in numerous private and public collections 
worldwide, including the Los Angeles County Museum; the Museum of Fine 
Arts, Houston; the Stedelijk Museum, Amsterdam; the Fogg Museum, Harvard 
University; and the Center for Creative Photography, Tucson. He has had solo 
exhibitions in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Boston and New York. 
Born in Connecticut in 1952, he currently lives and works in Manhattan. 

Check out this for some images

http://www.robertkleingallery.com/contemporary/bari/bari.htm
So, when I saw this thread, I wondered whether anyone has tried similarly 
toning their digital prints with weak tea after printing ?  Assuming these inks 
are waterproof, this could lead to some great prints.  So much for dry digital 
darkrooms.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bo Wrangborg" <sm7bxd@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tinting the paper before or after?


(snip)

> Hrrm..Smile...- it was not on *that* level I was thinking. This group
> must be very old - did you have tea and coffee in the carts at that
> time as well? Who knows - Tinting papers with Coca-Cola might give
> you a more sweet look!
> It's carbonized - not? So it must be fade resistant.......<g>

Bo,

Only is you use Earl Grey. <G>
>
> OK....
> If I put it this way - is there a "brown" paper out there, and has
> anyone tried a neutral print on it. If - what was the result?
> Many in this group I think do experiment with inks and papers, and
> find it interesting.
> Did that neutral ink cover the "brown" or tinted paper?
> Just curious! (Might start experimenting myself...)

Well there are some dark uncoated art papers that make interesting prints.
They are more gray than brown. Be careful of colored papers as they are
often of low quality and might give you problems.

Martin

----- Original Message -----

From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tinting the paper before or after?



(snip earlier)
>
> http://www.robertkleingallery.com/contemporary/bari/bari.htm
> So, when I saw this thread, I wondered whether anyone has tried similarly
> toning their digital prints with weak tea after printing ?  Assuming these
inks
> are waterproof, this could lead to some great prints.  So much for dry
digital
> darkrooms.

Some very nice work there!

Definately not after printing as the inks would not survive being dunked.

Martin Wesley

Hey,

Hmmm...,

now we are heading somewhere......

Those pics was something to remember!

Hmmmmm....
http://www.robertkleingallery.com/contemporary/bari/bari.htm

I'll sleep on that! There is somthing in this I think I like.
A setup with different toners, diluted MIS Archivals or something 
else from prof. art watercolour..hmmm...
(or why not tea as you say - if it worked for this guy and still are 
there...)

No problems with midtones and highlighs - the darker parts not that 
important. I think it will work!

That is ... yes I got it, do you?

Bo


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lawrencetrek" <ltitle@h...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tinting the paper before or after?
> 
> 
> 
> (snip earlier)
> >
> > http://www.robertkleingallery.com/contemporary/bari/bari.htm
> > So, when I saw this thread, I wondered whether anyone has tried 
similarly
> > toning their digital prints with weak tea after printing ?  
Assuming these
> inks
> > are waterproof, this could lead to some great prints.  So much 
for dry
> digital
> > darkrooms.
> 
> Some very nice work there!
> 
> Definately not after printing as the inks would not survive being 
dunked.
> 
> Martin Wesley