Digital BW, The Print

Tim,

Thanks for kicking off with the first post! Still finding myway 
arround the moderator's controls. Check the "Photos" section for me 
and let me know if you can access the picture I uploaded.

Thanks again,

Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
<t.spragens@c...> wrote:

> Hi Martin, I'm in.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com

Hi Tim,

good to see you here. Maybe we can kick this off by summarizing some of our 
experiences with Piezo prints. Favorite or specialty papers, for example.... 

Antonis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...> 
wrote:

> Hi Martin, I'm in.
> 
> Tim
> 
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com

Tim,

did you try both weights of the William Turner? And have you had a chance t=
o 
try German Etching (=Orwell)? 

Antonis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" <t.spragens@c...> =

wrote:

...

> I've used Somerset Velvet and Somerset Enhanced, and just this 
> week received boxes of Hahnemühle William Turner and Torchon. I 
> am very pleased with the results on both papers with PiezoBW ink 
> as well as Epson 2000P. I finally found a local (German) supplier. 
> 
> I was concerned at first about the texture of the Torchon, but once 
> the ink is on the paper (I tested with a very detailed image) the 
> texture is not obvious. With a rakinig light, William Turner's texture 
> is more apparent 
> 
> Tim
> --
> Tim Spragens
> http://www.borderless-photos.com

Hi Martin, I'm in.

Tim

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Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

> Check the "Photos" section for me
> and let me know if you can access the picture I uploaded.

I had troubles with Yahoo login, but that's sorted. Very dramatic 
lighting - filtered?

Tim
--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

> good to see you here. Maybe we can kick this off by summarizing some
> of our experiences with Piezo prints. Favorite or specialty papers,
> for example.... 

Hi Antonis. You people are up late, or early.

I am not nearly as experienced as you in papers. For most of my 
printing, longevity is not of prime concern. I use Epson Archival 
Matte mostly, but have printed an exhibition on Epson Watercolor 
with good effect. There is some sharpness loss on that paper over 
others, and in hand, the feel is not as pleasing as the art papers. 

For work prints, I've started to use Epson Heavyweight Matte; 
though not as white as EAM, the surface is very similar and it it 
more readily available here. 

I've used Somerset Velvet and Somerset Enhanced, and just this 
week received boxes of Hahnemühle William Turner and Torchon. I 
am very pleased with the results on both papers with PiezoBW ink 
as well as Epson 2000P. I finally found a local (German) supplier. 

I was concerned at first about the texture of the Torchon, but once 
the ink is on the paper (I tested with a very detailed image) the 
texture is not obvious. With a rakinig light, William Turner's texture 
is more apparent 

Tim
--
Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Antonis,

what I have is the 190 g/m^2 William Turner. The sample pack that 
Bernd sent me had both that and the 310. I saw no difference in 
surface, though now that I look again, it appears that the 190 is a 
bit brighter (not by much). I haven't tried German Etching, but that 
is on my list.

Please clarify something for me - is William Turner the same as 
Wells River? Some have complained about flaking, and I think it 
was Wells River. I've been bending and shaking a print on WT, 
trying to induce a flake, but with no success.

Sample prints on both WT and Torchon are going in for ozone 
testing. I'll report what I hear about that.

Tim
 
> did you try both weights of the William Turner? And have you had a
> chance t= o try German Etching (=Orwell)? 
> 


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Tim Spragens
http://www.borderless-photos.com

Hi Martin,

I just joined your list thanks to Antonis. I like your image and this 
is why I am involved in b/w. My url is www.portraitsofnature.net 
please take a look and tell me your thoughts. I'm looking forward to 
contributing to this list.

Regards


Tim 









--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mwesley250@e... wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> Thanks for kicking off with the first post! Still finding myway 
> arround the moderator's controls. Check the "Photos" section for me 
> and let me know if you can access the picture I uploaded.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Tim Spragens" 
> <t.spragens@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Martin, I'm in.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > --
> > Tim Spragens
> > http://www.borderless-photos.com

Hi guys,

I joined the group recently and read this message only today.
I would like to know who sells the William Turner paper in
Germany, and possibly what is the cost there for 17x22 inch
size (preferably box of 50)... if you don't mind.

Thanks,

Vladimir

e-mail:	artcore@...

Hello,

As I mentioned in my previous message, I joined this group only 
recently, so I am not sure if someone already asked this:

What, in your opinion, is the archival quality (in Wilhelm Research 
terms) of PiezoBW quad inks on William Turner paper (190g)???

Please, let me know.

Thanks,

Vladimir

e-mail:   artcore@...

Just try 

www.photolux.de

Bye

Andreas

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Hi guys,

I joined the group recently and read this message only today.
I would like to know who sells the William Turner paper in Germany, and
possibly what is the cost there for 17x22 inch size (preferably box of
50)... if you don't mind.

Thanks,

Vladimir

e-mail:	artcore@...




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "vkabelik" 
<artcore@p...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> As I mentioned in my previous message, I joined this group 
only 
> recently, so I am not sure if someone already asked this:
> 
> What, in your opinion, is the archival quality (in Wilhelm 
Research 
> terms) of PiezoBW quad inks on William Turner paper 
(190g)???
> 
> Please, let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> 


Vladimir,
On the s-und-s.de site go to digital fin art papers and then to 
resellers. There is a list of German distributors of Hahnemuhle 
papers (only a few have coated paper in stock). 

http://www.s-und-s.de/Pages-NEU/UB6/UB6-DISTRIBUT.html

Or go to www.photolux.de, they have all of them in stock.
W. Turner is 100% rag, genuine mould made. acid free, ph 
alkaline (buffered). Should be archival, if coated papers are 
archival at all.
Wilhelm didn´t publish any Piezo data, as far as I know.
Bernd

PS there are some flaking problems with W.T., I recommend to 
brush every sheet properly before printing. Actually I 
vacuum-clean every sheet.