Digital BW, The Print

Jim,

You wrote:

> I can't get Eclipse 190 gsm anymore. I really liked the stuff,
>have been using it quite awhile. I think my choices are either Museo
>250 gsm or Photorag 188 gsm.

I got some Eclipse Satine Bright White 190 from Inkjetart that other day.  I
don't if Brightcube's paper business is going to survive in a different
organization of what.  Too bad about their financial condition.

I think MediaStreet's version of PhotoRag will be my next effort.  I really
don't like the way Museo prints -- to much grain on the 3000.

>The Photorag has deeper blacks, but from the little fade testing I've
>done is a bit weak.

I agree.  However, Museo's shadow tones didn't do well either.

Eclipse is the toughest one I've tested.  Let's hope it doesn't disappear.

(I'm also serious about finding a way to post-process EAM to counteract the
acid.  It's a long shot, but worth it, in my view.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
____________________________________

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Peter,
>
<snip>
Where really long life is needed, I'll probably use Eclipse
Satine
> now.
>
<snip>
>
> For the serious collectors, use cotton-based paper.  Even if the
PhotoRag
> fades faster, they will be more inclined to take care of it and not
have it
> on display that long.  Where I don't need the dramatic blacks, I'm
going to
> use Eclipse Satine for these people.
>

> don't if Brightcube's paper business is going to survive in a 
different
> organization of what.  Let's hope it doesn't disappear.

The Eclipse Satine is not going to disappear anytime soon. We just 
purchased the entire inventory from the now defunct Brightcube. There 
are 25 full pallets of it and other papers arriving today. There are 
still thousands and thousands of sheets. For example, we have 49,200 
sheets of the 190g 8.5x11 and no less than 5000 sheets of each of the 
other sizes as well. Expect to see the roll sizes again in a matter 
of a couple of weeks. We will be posting new incredibly low pricing 
and real time inventories on our website over the weekend so that 
people have an idea of what's still available. We are also working 
diligently to continue the production of the Eclipse Satine, Semi-
Matte, and some of the other papers as well. The Eclipse Satine Soft 
White is still available in 5x7, 8.5x11, and 11x17 sheets. 

If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me 
off list at info@...

Gregory Schern
Inkjet Goodies - Photographic and Fine Art Inkjet Supplies
www.inkjetgoodies.com

Friday, September 27, 2002, 9:04:47 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

PR> I got some Eclipse Satine Bright White 190 from Inkjetart that other day.  I
PR> don't if Brightcube's paper business is going to survive in a different
PR> organization of what.  Too bad about their financial condition.


Paul,

I've heard from someone (the actual person really, but I'll him decide
when he wants to "officially" announce it) that Brightcube papers will
live on. He has arranged for the acquiring of the paper formulas and
relationships with the third-party manufacturers to continue to
produce these fine papers. He also purchased out all of Brightcube's
remaining stock. He's also hinted that prices will be coming down
considerably since he will be the source, no more middleman
distributors. In fact the cost, in quantity (not too large) of the
Eclipse Satine will rival the cost of EAM, even from Atlex.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Links to my galleries:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

Friday, September 27, 2002, 9:57:48 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:

RS> In fact the cost, in quantity (not too large) of the
RS> Eclipse Satine will rival the cost of EAM, even from Atlex.


DOH! Sorry, I was comparing a 25 sheet box of Eclipse to a 50 sheet
box of EAM. But still! It will kick butt over the cost of Photo Rag.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Links to my galleries:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

only if it comes in A3 and with free shipping outside the US!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Sintchak" <richard@...>
To: "Richard Sintchak" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Brightcube paper will live on WAS: Replace Eclipse
with Museo?! (Paul, et all) was Opinions on _papers for MIS inks


> Friday, September 27, 2002, 9:57:48 AM, Richard Sintchak wrote:
>
> RS> In fact the cost, in quantity (not too large) of the
> RS> Eclipse Satine will rival the cost of EAM, even from Atlex.
>
>
> DOH! Sorry, I was comparing a 25 sheet box of Eclipse to a 50 sheet
> box of EAM. But still! It will kick butt over the cost of Photo Rag.
>
> Best regards,
>  Richard
>
> mailto:richard@...
>
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>
>
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Friday, September 27, 2002, 9:27:50 AM, Gregory Schern wrote:

GS> The Eclipse Satine is not going to disappear anytime soon. We just 
GS> purchased the entire inventory from the now defunct Brightcube. There 
GS> are 25 full pallets of it and other papers arriving today. There are 
GS> still thousands and thousands of sheets. For example, we have 49,200 
GS> sheets of the 190g 8.5x11 and no less than 5000 sheets of each of the 
GS> other sizes as well. Expect to see the roll sizes again in a matter 
GS> of a couple of weeks. We will be posting new incredibly low pricing 
GS> and real time inventories on our website over the weekend so that 
GS> people have an idea of what's still available. We are also working 
GS> diligently to continue the production of the Eclipse Satine, Semi-
GS> Matte, and some of the other papers as well. The Eclipse Satine Soft 
GS> White is still available in 5x7, 8.5x11, and 11x17 sheets. 

GS> If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me 
GS> off list at info@...

GS> Gregory Schern
GS> Inkjet Goodies - Photographic and Fine Art Inkjet Supplies
GS> www.inkjetgoodies.com


Well, I guess he decided to announce it.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Links to my galleries:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

Jim have you tried Legion's photo matte? It is a nice smooth paper, 
brilliant
white and heavier than EAM.

Jerry

> <snip>
> 
>>For the serious collectors, use cotton-based paper.  Even if the 
> 
> PhotoRag
> 
>>fades faster, they will be more inclined to take care of it and not 
> 
> have it
> 
>>on display that long.  Where I don't need the dramatic blacks, I'm 
> 
> going to
> 
>>use Eclipse Satine for these people.
>>
> 
> 
> Well, I can't get Eclipse 190 gsm anymore. I really liked the stuff, 
> have been using it quite awhile. I think my choices are either Museo 
> 250 gsm or Photorag 188 gsm.
> 
> The Museo calipers out to the same as Eclipse 190 gsm (0.015 inch) and 
> I think resisted fading about as well as EAM.
> 
> The Photorag has deeper blacks, but from the little fade testing I've 
> done is a bit weak.
> 
> Paul, you've used and fade tested both. I know you like EAM. I'm 
> favoring the longevity, and I made due with the lighter blacks when I 
> used Eclipse.
> 
> I wonder how close Museo prints to Eclipse...? Less texture, anyway.
> 
> 
> Any thoughts? Or do you know any sources that still have Eclipse 190 
> gsm? Btw, am using standard MIS VM on 1280.
> Jim H. 
> 
> 
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Quick, silly question.

What actually has to be added to a paper to enhance the blacks, like the 
Hahnemuhle papers have?

If its the coating, what chemical would be in it that would allow for 
the deeper blacks?

If anyone knows, why wouldn't they make their papers with the superior 
coatings that would allow these
blacks?

Jerry




Richard Sintchak wrote:

> Friday, September 27, 2002, 9:27:50 AM, Gregory Schern wrote:
> 
> GS> The Eclipse Satine is not going to disappear anytime soon. We just 
> GS> purchased the entire inventory from the now defunct Brightcube. There 
> GS> are 25 full pallets of it and other papers arriving today. There are 
> GS> still thousands and thousands of sheets. For example, we have 49,200 
> GS> sheets of the 190g 8.5x11 and no less than 5000 sheets of each of the 
> GS> other sizes as well. Expect to see the roll sizes again in a matter 
> GS> of a couple of weeks. We will be posting new incredibly low pricing 
> GS> and real time inventories on our website over the weekend so that 
> GS> people have an idea of what's still available. We are also working 
> GS> diligently to continue the production of the Eclipse Satine, Semi-
> GS> Matte, and some of the other papers as well. The Eclipse Satine Soft 
> GS> White is still available in 5x7, 8.5x11, and 11x17 sheets. 
> 
> GS> If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to contact me 
> GS> off list at info@...
> 
> GS> Gregory Schern
> GS> Inkjet Goodies - Photographic and Fine Art Inkjet Supplies
> GS> www.inkjetgoodies.com
> 
> 
> Well, I guess he decided to announce it.
> 
> Best regards,
>  Richard  
> 
> mailto:richard@...
> 
> Links to my galleries:
> http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246
> 
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Jerry,

Yes I used it for awhile and was pleased with it. I evenutually 
rejected it because in my "Sunny Colorado" south window test it faired 
poorly. I learned later (from this list)that it was one of the few 
papers I had used that had brighteners in it, so this probably 
accounts for it.

I must say however, that I recently had an owner of one of my prints 
come back to me for framing. The print was 9 months old, in average 
room lighting with some window light (according to him). Printed on 
this paper, I had to admit I liked the tone it presently had. It was 
more or less neutral. I think I may have printed it MIS VM with the NC 
curve...
Jim H. 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Jim have you tried Legion's photo matte? It is a nice smooth paper, 
> brilliant
> white and heavier than EAM.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > <snip>
> > 
> >>For the serious collectors, use cotton-based paper.  Even if the 
> > 
> > PhotoRag
> > 
> >>fades faster, they will be more inclined to take care of it and 
not 
> > 
> > have it
> > 
> >>on display that long.  Where I don't need the dramatic blacks, I'm 
> > 
> > going to
> > 
> >>use Eclipse Satine for these people.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Well, I can't get Eclipse 190 gsm anymore. I really liked the 
stuff, 
> > have been using it quite awhile. I think my choices are either 
Museo 
> > 250 gsm or Photorag 188 gsm.
> > 
> > The Museo calipers out to the same as Eclipse 190 gsm (0.015 inch) 
and 
> > I think resisted fading about as well as EAM.
> > 
> > The Photorag has deeper blacks, but from the little fade testing 
I've 
> > done is a bit weak.
> > 
> > Paul, you've used and fade tested both. I know you like EAM. I'm 
> > favoring the longevity, and I made due with the lighter blacks 
when I 
> > used Eclipse.
> > 
> > I wonder how close Museo prints to Eclipse...? Less texture, 
anyway.
> > 
> > 
> > Any thoughts? Or do you know any sources that still have Eclipse 
190 
> > gsm? Btw, am using standard MIS VM on 1280.
> > Jim H. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is 
at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> >