Digital BW, The Print

I have been using the orginal Piezo/Sundance inks since they 
were introduced. I am not always able to check out this list but 
now that I have I see there are problems, real or imagined, with 
the original Piezo inks and the new Piezotone inks.
I have come to this list because I need unbiased information 
about which inks are available right now and are usable for 
portfolio presentation and which are available and best for 
display.
I guess what I am asking for is a straight answer on which inks 
to use that will not fade and will not require days of fiddling about 
trying to get them to work. I am not concerned so much about 
archival qualities but that would be a plus. I need to reprint four 
new portfolios for my agents and I need to get them done now.
I print with an 1160 and a 3000 and use Somerset Photo 
Enhanced and EAM papers. 
Thank you for any help you can offer.
Regards,
Thom Jackson

I've been asking the same questions- If you need to print now, go with some more sundance inks- available at http://www.digitalartsupplies.com/
They call them warm-neutral inks. This is what the original Cone piezography inks were. I believe a set of 4-4oz bottles is $125.00.
MIS makes a direct replacement for the original Cones inks called MIS FS quads. http://www.inksupply.com/
They work with the Epson driver using a downloadable curve or with the Cone Piezo Driver as a direct replacement ink,. However, if you change to MIS, no matter how 
compatable they say they are, you will have to discard your current CIS and start fresh. I'm sure the profiles will be a little off as well.
If you want a band-aid to print your portfolio prints while you are sifting through the choices, you may want to try the sundance carts instead of buying a whole set of bulk 
inks. I'm guessing that would be cheaper, and I'm assuming you are using a CIS type of system. I myself have decided to get out of quad tone printing. I just don't do enough to 
justify buying a new set of ink, no matter whose brand I buy. I love my 1280 with the Gen4 ink. If I need the occasional BW print, I can cobble through by making a green/
magenta compensation adjustment layer. It's not perfect, but good enough. I have just listed my 1160's on E-Bay.

John,
Thanks very much for your advice. I guess no one has a definitive 
answer. I have ordered more Sundance but I have two 3000 printers and 
one of them is in the shop getting refurbished and new heads. I don't 
want to initiate that printer with more Sundance if there are problems 
with that ink.
Frankly I haven't had any problems with Sundance but I am constantly 
reprinting my work and throwing the old prints away so I don't see any 
fade problems. Most of my prints are in portfolios behind plastic or 
they are stored in large file drawers. I just haven't had problems but 
I don't want any and that is why I am asking for some non biased 
comments. 
Best,
Thom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "John Luke" <jjlphoto@y...> 
wrote:

> I've been asking the same questions- If you need to print now, go with some more sundance inks- available at http://www.digitalartsupplies.com/
> They call them warm-neutral inks. This is what the original Cone piezography inks were. I believe a set of 4-4oz bottles is $125.00.
> MIS makes a direct replacement for the original Cones inks called MIS FS quads. http://www.inksupply.com/
> They work with the Epson driver using a downloadable curve or with the Cone Piezo Driver as a direct replacement ink,. However, if you change to MIS, no matter how 
> compatable they say they are, you will have to discard your current CIS and start fresh. I'm sure the profiles will be a little off as well.
> If you want a band-aid to print your portfolio prints while you are sifting through the choices, you may want to try the sundance carts instead of buying a whole set of bulk

At 06:40 PM 10/2/02 +0000, you wrote:
>John,
>Thanks very much for your advice. I guess no one has a definitive
>answer. I have ordered more Sundance but I have two 3000 printers and
>one of them is in the shop getting refurbished and new heads. I don't
>want to initiate that printer with more Sundance if there are problems
>with that ink.
>Frankly I haven't had any problems with Sundance but I am constantly
>reprinting my work and throwing the old prints away so I don't see any
>fade problems. Most of my prints are in portfolios behind plastic or
>they are stored in large file drawers. I just haven't had problems but
>I don't want any and that is why I am asking for some non biased
>comments.
>Best,
>Thom

Thom -

I have been using the original piezo inks in my 3000's since piezography 
first came out.  I have had no problems with fading or clogging.  I just 
finished printing another set of photos for my portfolio with no problems 
at all.  I'm on my fourth set of cartridges.  Those things last 
forever!   When I finally run out, I plan to replace them with the original 
inks from Sundance.  I don't want to fix something that's not broken!!

Hope this helps.

Tina


Tina Manley, ASMP
http://www.tinamanley.com

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The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM and 
Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.

Jerry

John Luke wrote:

> I've been asking the same questions- If you need to print now, go with some more sundance inks- available at http://www.digitalartsupplies.com/
> They call them warm-neutral inks. This is what the original Cone piezography inks were. I believe a set of 4-4oz bottles is $125.00.
> MIS makes a direct replacement for the original Cones inks called MIS FS quads. http://www.inksupply.com/
> They work with the Epson driver using a downloadable curve or with the Cone Piezo Driver as a direct replacement ink,. However, if you change to MIS, no matter how 
> compatable they say they are, you will have to discard your current CIS and start fresh. I'm sure the profiles will be a little off as well.
> If you want a band-aid to print your portfolio prints while you are sifting through the choices, you may want to try the sundance carts instead of buying a whole set of bulk 
> inks. I'm guessing that would be cheaper, and I'm assuming you are using a CIS type of system. I myself have decided to get out of quad tone printing. I just don't do enough to 
> justify buying a new set of ink, no matter whose brand I buy. I love my 1280 with the Gen4 ink. If I need the occasional BW print, I can cobble through by making a green/
> magenta compensation adjustment layer. It's not perfect, but good enough. I have just listed my 1160's on E-Bay.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM and 
> Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> 
> Jerry
> 
I just received the MIS-FSN 4oz quadset. Is what your saying true 
also for the FSN inkset or is this just playing with fire ?
Andre

Jerry,
Thanks for the advice.
Does that mean that the MIS are Sundance inks also? 
I have tried to stay with Cone because I get one day service from 
UPS using standard ground because I live in Ct. which is the 
same zone as IJM. Sounds silly but sometimes I cut it close and 
I  can count on ink and paper the next day. 
My first effort with Quadtone before there was an Inkjetmall I tried 
MIS but they clogged my Epson Ex so I gave up until Piezo came 
along.
Thanks,
Thom
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <
jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM 
and 

> Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> >

Tina,
I guess that's what  I was trying to say too. I haven't had any real 
problems with the Sundance Inks when they were called Piezo 
inks so I guess I can continue using them. I live a long way from 
Ca. and it takes them forever to get here unlike IJM which I 
receive in one day using UPS ground.
Have you figured out a way to really know how much ink is left in 
your 3000 carts?
Thanks,
Thom
> 
> I have been using the original piezo inks in my 3000's since 
piezography 
> first came out.  I have had no problems with fading or clogging.  
I just 
> finished printing another set of photos for my portfolio with no 
problems 
> at all.  I'm on my fourth set of cartridges.  Those things last 
> forever!   When I finally run out, I plan to replace them with the 
original 
> inks from Sundance.  I don't want to fix something that's not 
broken!!

> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> http://www.tinamanley.com
> 
> images available from:
> http://www.pdiphotos.com
> http://www.mira.com
> http://www.agpix.com
> http://www.newscom.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM and 
> > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> > 
Everybody tells me that if you have a CIS, the lines and sponge in the cart are tainted and you will have problems if you simply hook up anothers ink even if it is compatable.  If 
your running carts, then I would agree that the above may be true.
John Luke

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tina Manley" <images@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Time to change inks correct but which ones?


> At 06:40 PM 10/2/02 +0000, you wrote:

(snip)
>
> I have been using the original piezo inks in my 3000's since piezography
> first came out.  I have had no problems with fading or clogging.  I just
> finished printing another set of photos for my portfolio with no problems
> at all.  I'm on my fourth set of cartridges.  Those things last
> forever!   When I finally run out, I plan to replace them with the
original
> inks from Sundance.  I don't want to fix something that's not broken!!
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tina

Thom,

Tina is right. With all the complaints over the original PiezoBW/Sundance
ink, people tend to forget that it has worked just fine for many people
especially on the 3000. I would guess that more prints have been made with
this ink than any other. I have many wonderful prints with these inks from
various print exchanges. If you like what you are getting then stick with
it.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

At 10:11 PM 10/2/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Tina,
>I guess that's what  I was trying to say too. I haven't had any real
>problems with the Sundance Inks when they were called Piezo
>inks so I guess I can continue using them. I live a long way from
>Ca. and it takes them forever to get here unlike IJM which I
>receive in one day using UPS ground.
>Have you figured out a way to really know how much ink is left in
>your 3000 carts?
>Thanks,
>Thom

Thom -

No, I just know that when it starts flashing, I still have a lot more 
prints to make.  You can take the cartridge out and shake it or weigh 
it.  I just print until I can't get a good nozzle check.  Then I know it is 
empty.  It seems to keep going forever even when it's empty!

Tina


Tina Manley, ASMP
http://www.tinamanley.com

images available from:
http://www.pdiphotos.com
http://www.mira.com
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No, MIS is NOT the same as sundance.  Sundance is the same as the
original piezo inks, and did have clogging problems way back when.  

I've used MIS VM Inks and Genereations Enhanced black for over 3 years
with not a single serious clogging problem.  Highly recommended.

Jerry




tjphotoct wrote:

> 
> Jerry,
> Thanks for the advice.
> Does that mean that the MIS are Sundance inks also?
> I have tried to stay with Cone because I get one day service from
> UPS using standard ground because I live in Ct. which is the
> same zone as IJM. Sounds silly but sometimes I cut it close and
> I  can count on ink and paper the next day.
> My first effort with Quadtone before there was an Inkjetmall I tried
> MIS but they clogged my Epson Ex so I gave up until Piezo came
> along.
> Thanks,
> Thom
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <
> jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM
> and
> > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > >
> 
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I've actually mixed Piezo inks and MIS and Generations inks together. No
clogging problems at all. (The FIRST generation of Piezo inks, and
Generations 3 and 4 inks)

Jerry

John Luke wrote:

> 
> > > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM and
> > > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> > >
> Everybody tells me that if you have a CIS, the lines and sponge in the cart are tainted and you will have problems if you simply hook up anothers ink even if it is compatable.  If
> your running carts, then I would agree that the above may be true.
> John Luke
> 
> 
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Weigh them and compare to a full and empty cart.

Jerry

tjphotoct wrote:

> 
> Tina,
> I guess that's what  I was trying to say too. I haven't had any real
> problems with the Sundance Inks when they were called Piezo
> inks so I guess I can continue using them. I live a long way from
> Ca. and it takes them forever to get here unlike IJM which I
> receive in one day using UPS ground.
> Have you figured out a way to really know how much ink is left in
> your 3000 carts?
> Thanks,
> Thom
> >
> > I have been using the original piezo inks in my 3000's since
> piezography
> > first came out.  I have had no problems with fading or clogging.
> I just
> > finished printing another set of photos for my portfolio with no
> problems
> > at all.  I'm on my fourth set of cartridges.  Those things last
> > forever!   When I finally run out, I plan to replace them with the
> original
> > inks from Sundance.  I don't want to fix something that's not
> broken!!
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > Tina Manley, ASMP
> > http://www.tinamanley.com
> >
> > images available from:
> > http://www.pdiphotos.com
> > http://www.mira.com
> > http://www.agpix.com
> > http://www.newscom.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
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Are you going to give the new 'portfolio' black a try Jerry? seems almost
made for you!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Time to change inks correct but which ones?


> No, MIS is NOT the same as sundance.  Sundance is the same as the
> original piezo inks, and did have clogging problems way back when.
>
> I've used MIS VM Inks and Genereations Enhanced black for over 3 years
> with not a single serious clogging problem.  Highly recommended.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> tjphotoct wrote:
> >
> > Jerry,
> > Thanks for the advice.
> > Does that mean that the MIS are Sundance inks also?
> > I have tried to stay with Cone because I get one day service from
> > UPS using standard ground because I live in Ct. which is the
> > same zone as IJM. Sounds silly but sometimes I cut it close and
> > I  can count on ink and paper the next day.
> > My first effort with Quadtone before there was an Inkjetmall I tried
> > MIS but they clogged my Epson Ex so I gave up until Piezo came
> > along.
> > Thanks,
> > Thom
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <
> > jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM
> > and
> > > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
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The MIS FS inkset IS the same as the original Piezo/Sundance and can 
be used interchangably.  The FS inkset is also significantly less 
expensive and appears to have fewer reports of clogging.

Jeff Randall

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> No, MIS is NOT the same as sundance.  Sundance is the same as the
> original piezo inks, and did have clogging problems way back when.  
> 
> I've used MIS VM Inks and Genereations Enhanced black for over 3 
years
> with not a single serious clogging problem.  Highly recommended.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> tjphotoct wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > Thanks for the advice.
> > Does that mean that the MIS are Sundance inks also?
> > I have tried to stay with Cone because I get one day service from
> > UPS using standard ground because I live in Ct. which is the
> > same zone as IJM. Sounds silly but sometimes I cut it close and
> > I  can count on ink and paper the next day.
> > My first effort with Quadtone before there was an Inkjetmall I 
tried
> > MIS but they clogged my Epson Ex so I gave up until Piezo came
> > along.
> > Thanks,
> > Thom
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <
> > jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM
> > and
> > > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
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... and by *same* I mean equivalent.

jr

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Jeff Randall" 
<jrandall@c...> wrote:
> The MIS FS inkset IS the same as the original Piezo/Sundance and 
can 
> be used interchangably.  The FS inkset is also significantly less 
> expensive and appears to have fewer reports of clogging.
> 
> Jeff Randall
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > No, MIS is NOT the same as sundance.  Sundance is the same as the
> > original piezo inks, and did have clogging problems way back 
when.  
> > 
> > I've used MIS VM Inks and Genereations Enhanced black for over 3 
> years
> > with not a single serious clogging problem.  Highly recommended.
> > 
> > Jerry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > tjphotoct wrote:
> > > 
> > > Jerry,
> > > Thanks for the advice.
> > > Does that mean that the MIS are Sundance inks also?
> > > I have tried to stay with Cone because I get one day service 
from
> > > UPS using standard ground because I live in Ct. which is the
> > > same zone as IJM. Sounds silly but sometimes I cut it close and
> > > I  can count on ink and paper the next day.
> > > My first effort with Quadtone before there was an Inkjetmall I 
> tried
> > > MIS but they clogged my Epson Ex so I gave up until Piezo came
> > > along.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Thom
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <
> > > jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM
> > > and
> > > > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
> Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
> is at:
> > > 
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Julian, What is the New Portfolio Black? Never heard of it. Who makes
it?  If it isn't blacker than the Gen 4 Enhanced black, there'd be no
point in trying it. 

Jerry

> Are you going to give the new 'portfolio' black a try Jerry? seems almost
> made for you!
> 
> Julian
>

On the piezo site - oneof the new blacks - density close to silver

Julian
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Time to change inks correct but which ones?


> Julian, What is the New Portfolio Black? Never heard of it. Who makes
> it?  If it isn't blacker than the Gen 4 Enhanced black, there'd be no
> point in trying it.
>
> Jerry
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almost
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I wouldn't dare use anything made or recommended by cone anymore. Those
inks have just had too many problems.  I've been using the Generations
and MIS inks for 3 years and have had no fading, no clogging, no problems.

Jerry




Julian Thomas wrote:

> 
> On the piezo site - oneof the new blacks - density close to silver
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Time to change inks correct but which ones?
> 
> > Julian, What is the New Portfolio Black? Never heard of it. Who makes
> > it?  If it isn't blacker than the Gen 4 Enhanced black, there'd be no
> > point in trying it.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
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> almost
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I used MIS VM inks, but I believe that ALL MIS inks are compatible with
each other.

Check first, but I'm fairly sure this is true.

Jerry  

Check with Paul roark at paul.roark@...



sceptre12345 wrote:

> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > The ORIGINAL cone inks are totally compatible with MIS VM and
> > Generations 4 inks. No flushing or cleaning needed.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> I just received the MIS-FSN 4oz quadset. Is what your saying true
> also for the FSN inkset or is this just playing with fire ?
> Andre
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