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2002-10-04 by John Luke
I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The bright white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the one with whiteners/brighteners added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to the level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also). John Luke
2002-10-04 by Paul Roark
Brighteners do not appear to affect pigment longevity ratings. EAM also has brighteners. They just eventually burn out and cause the paper to be about 0.02 - 0.03 units more yellow. However, since they start out as bluish, the papers might actually end up more neutral. When compared side by side, however, the burned out OB's make the paper look slightly yellow. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________________
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From: John Luke [mailto:jjlphoto@...]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:14 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Eclipse paper
I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The
bright white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the
one with whiteners/brighteners
added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to
the level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also).
John Luke
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2002-10-04 by Jerry Olson
I haven't used the soft white. How are the blacks compared to the Bright white? Jerry John Luke wrote:
> I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The bright white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the one with whiteners/brighteners > added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to the level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also). > > John Luke > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-10-04 by frankg_photo
I tried a sample sheet I had of the Soft White yesterdayy. In fact I printed the very same file on several papers (Bright white, Soft White, Royal Renaissance (photo rag), EAM). Needless to say, in my opinion, Photo rag is the hands down winner. Bright white is a close second, followed by EAM and Soft White. I found the Soft White a bit flat and warm. rather dull really. But that's not to say a more skilled printer can't coax better results out of the paper ? Photo Rag (Royal renaissance) just seems to have such greater depth, black-ness, and is even sharper (but I may be imagining that ?), that it's hard to accept less. Anyone found a more economical equivalent ? Frank --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson <jerryolson@r...> wrote: > I haven't used the soft white. How are the blacks compared to the > Bright white? > > Jerry > > > > John Luke wrote: > > I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The bright white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the one with whiteners/brighteners > > added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to the level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also). > > > > John Luke > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - Include your full name with your message. > > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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2002-10-05 by Thom McGraw
Jerry, I've used both and I cannot tell the difference between the two. The soft white is a warm paper, which, I believe, is not your cup of tea. Thom
> I haven't used the soft white. How are the blacks > compared to the > Bright white? > > Jerry > > John Luke wrote: > > I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on > Jerrys suggestions. The bright white has whiteners > added, the soft white does not.
2002-10-05 by Robert Morrison
I've window tested the old Brightcube Velvet Bright White...and it ended up looking like the Satine Soft White after a couple of weeks in a south window. Robert
On 10/4/02 8:33 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > Brighteners do not appear to affect pigment longevity ratings. EAM also has > brighteners. They just eventually burn out and cause the paper to be about > 0.02 - 0.03 units more yellow. However, since they start out as bluish, the > papers might actually end up more neutral. When compared side by side, > however, the burned out OB's make the paper look slightly yellow. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > > > _____________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: John Luke [mailto:jjlphoto@...] > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:14 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Eclipse paper > > > I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The > bright white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the > one with whiteners/brighteners > added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to > the level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also). > > John Luke > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2002-10-05 by Robert Morrison
Identical...but the ink color is much, much less Olson toned (blue)...<wink> Robert
On 10/4/02 9:10 AM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote: > I haven't used the soft white. How are the blacks compared to the > Bright white? > > Jerry > > > > John Luke wrote: >> I was looking at some Eclipse paper based on Jerrys suggestions. The bright >> white has whiteners added, the soft white does not. I wonder if the one with >> whiteners/brighteners >> added would ratchet in down ( in terms of stability) a couple of pegs to the >> level of Epson Matte Heavyweight (that paper has whiteners added also). >> >> John Luke >> >> >> >> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and >> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint >> >> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same >> page. >> >> Please follow these basic guidelines: >> - Include your full name with your message. >> - Include the address of your website, if you have one. >> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep >> them short. >> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. >> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or >> &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; >> - Complete your Yahoo profile. >> - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various >> resources on the homepage. >> >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >