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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-04 by Tim Atherton

> OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely 
> stunning work. I have only seen his work in books until now. 
> Absolutely a master.
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice to get deep blacks like that digitally? :-)

I know! I saw some stuff like that recently, (contact pritns opn old 
contact paper, AZO and such) including some Karsh work we have in the 
collection here and my thoughts where (on Quadtones, EAM etc etc) - we 
are still kinda fooling ourselves aren't we......

Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-05 by Jerry Olson

You can, if you use dye inks on glossy papers.  But that isn't fine art
print quality to me.

Jerry



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> OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely
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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-06 by Julian Thomas

Jerry, could you expand on that a bit? I'm more and more looking to dyes
both in colour and BW- I wish I'd gotten to Lincoln inks BW dyes before they
pulled them. I realise that semimatte RC-type paper isn't PR, but matted and
behind glass??

Julian
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin


> You can, if you use dye inks on glossy papers.  But that isn't fine art
> print quality to me.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> andrewmbiggs wrote:
> >
> > OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely
> > stunning work. I have only seen his work in books until now.
> > Absolutely a master.
> >
> > Wouldn't it be nice to get deep blacks like that digitally? :-)
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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-06 by Jerry Olson

Lyson small gamut inks on glossy papers absolutely equal the d max of a
silver print. I tried it. It works.  But I really do not want to sell or
print glossy prints. They look tacky and cheap to me.

Jerry

I saw an example of the original neutral dye inks on watercolor paper
many years ago that had a fabulous black. But that was the era of large
dots showing up when printing on the 800 and 3000 printers, so never
pursued that route.  With the 1280 printer, I was wondering what they
would be like?






Julian Thomas wrote:
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> Jerry, could you expand on that a bit? I'm more and more looking to dyes
> both in colour and BW- I wish I'd gotten to Lincoln inks BW dyes before they
> pulled them. I realise that semimatte RC-type paper isn't PR, but matted and
> behind glass??
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin
> 
> > You can, if you use dye inks on glossy papers.  But that isn't fine art
> > print quality to me.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > andrewmbiggs wrote:
> > >
> > > OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely
> > > stunning work. I have only seen his work in books until now.
> > > Absolutely a master.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be nice to get deep blacks like that digitally? :-)
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-06 by Craig J. Sterling

Jerry,

Greetings from the Nations Capital...it's been a while since we spoke.

Question: Since Small Gamut inks are dye-based, have you ever tried them on
Somerset Velvet uncoated paper?

I know, I know...the d-max is not as great as on coated papers, but that is
not an issue for me...I like the soft painterly look I get on uncoated
papers.

I am considering SG and would agree that glossy prints are a bit tacky and
not salable at all!!!

I use a lot of Somerset Velvet uncoated with my dye based 7000...I love the
look and the price of the paper, but am tiring of the color crossover issues
on subtly toned prints.  SG or even VM Sepia may be a good solution.

Any suggestions on how to profile SG inks...I have a Spectrocam and Profiler
Pro software...what do you think...any experience with SG on uncoated
papers?

Regards...Craig
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> From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:39:10 -0600
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin
> 
> Lyson small gamut inks on glossy papers absolutely equal the d max of a
> silver print. I tried it. It works.  But I really do not want to sell or
> print glossy prints. They look tacky and cheap to me.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> I saw an example of the original neutral dye inks on watercolor paper
> many years ago that had a fabulous black. But that was the era of large
> dots showing up when printing on the 800 and 3000 printers, so never
> pursued that route.  With the 1280 printer, I was wondering what they
> would be like?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Julian Thomas wrote:
>> 
>> Jerry, could you expand on that a bit? I'm more and more looking to dyes
>> both in colour and BW- I wish I'd gotten to Lincoln inks BW dyes before they
>> pulled them. I realise that semimatte RC-type paper isn't PR, but matted and
>> behind glass??
>> 
>> Julian
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin
>> 
>>> You can, if you use dye inks on glossy papers.  But that isn't fine art
>>> print quality to me.
>>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> andrewmbiggs wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely
>>>> stunning work. I have only seen his work in books until now.
>>>> Absolutely a master.
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't it be nice to get deep blacks like that digitally? :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin

2002-11-07 by Jerry Olson

Hi Craig,

MSG works great on epson archival paper. It's about the only paper I
tried it on, as I just got the cartridges to try it. It also works
fabulous on glossy papers.  But I have no profiles for it on any paper.
I haven't tried it on somerset uncooked, as that paper just can't get
the blacks I want.'

Jerry



"Craig J. Sterling" wrote:
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> 
> Jerry,
> 
> Greetings from the Nations Capital...it's been a while since we spoke.
> 
> Question: Since Small Gamut inks are dye-based, have you ever tried them on
> Somerset Velvet uncoated paper?
> 
> I know, I know...the d-max is not as great as on coated papers, but that is
> not an issue for me...I like the soft painterly look I get on uncoated
> papers.
> 
> I am considering SG and would agree that glossy prints are a bit tacky and
> not salable at all!!!
> 
> I use a lot of Somerset Velvet uncoated with my dye based 7000...I love the
> look and the price of the paper, but am tiring of the color crossover issues
> on subtly toned prints.  SG or even VM Sepia may be a good solution.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to profile SG inks...I have a Spectrocam and Profiler
> Pro software...what do you think...any experience with SG on uncoated
> papers?
> 
> Regards...Craig
> ------------------------------------------
> http:www.craigsterling.com "Photography With a Sense of Place"
> 
> > From: Jerry Olson <jerryolson@...>
> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 13:39:10 -0600
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin
> >
> > Lyson small gamut inks on glossy papers absolutely equal the d max of a
> > silver print. I tried it. It works.  But I really do not want to sell or
> > print glossy prints. They look tacky and cheap to me.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > I saw an example of the original neutral dye inks on watercolor paper
> > many years ago that had a fabulous black. But that was the era of large
> > dots showing up when printing on the 800 and 3000 printers, so never
> > pursued that route.  With the 1280 printer, I was wondering what they
> > would be like?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Julian Thomas wrote:
> >>
> >> Jerry, could you expand on that a bit? I'm more and more looking to dyes
> >> both in colour and BW- I wish I'd gotten to Lincoln inks BW dyes before they
> >> pulled them. I realise that semimatte RC-type paper isn't PR, but matted and
> >> behind glass??
> >>
> >> Julian
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> >> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin
> >>
> >>> You can, if you use dye inks on glossy papers.  But that isn't fine art
> >>> print quality to me.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> andrewmbiggs wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> OT: Yousuf Karsh at Oswald Gallery here in Austin. Absolutely
> >>>> stunning work. I have only seen his work in books until now.
> >>>> Absolutely a master.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wouldn't it be nice to get deep blacks like that digitally? :-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> >> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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