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[Digital BW] D-Max with Ultrachrome Inks - How good?

[Digital BW] D-Max with Ultrachrome Inks - How good?

2002-11-27 by Paul Roark

>How rich is the D-Max on a photograph printed from the Epson 2200
>supposed to be compared to a true photographic print?

I just loaded some UC Matte black into my 1160 for testing.  On EAM it is
slightly darker (density 1.69) than the MIS VM/FS black (1.6), but not as
black as a photographic print (1.9 for my silver prints).

However, I then coated the EAM with a #30 rod and polyurethane (acrylic
would do the same I assume).  Then the DMax hit slightly over 2 -- higher
than my silver prints.

With Legion Photo Matte, the Dmax with UC Mat-K was 1.61 uncoated and
slightly over 2.3 coated with the #30 rod and PUR -- a serious black.  The
#30 and PUR coating gives the LPM a very "air-dried-silver-print" look.
(Too bad about all those optical brighteners in LPM.)

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] D-Max with Ultrachrome Inks - How good?

2002-11-27 by Carl Schofield

Paul - Do you have any density readings for the UC matte black on BC  
Eclipse Satine (with and without your PUR coating)?

Carl
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 02:00  PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>> How rich is the D-Max on a photograph printed from the Epson 2200
>> supposed to be compared to a true photographic print?
>
> I just loaded some UC Matte black into my 1160 for testing.  On EAM it  
> is
> slightly darker (density 1.69) than the MIS VM/FS black (1.6), but not  
> as
> black as a photographic print (1.9 for my silver prints).
>
> However, I then coated the EAM with a #30 rod and polyurethane (acrylic
> would do the same I assume).  Then the DMax hit slightly over 2 --  
> higher
> than my silver prints.
>
> With Legion Photo Matte, the Dmax with UC Mat-K was 1.61 uncoated and
> slightly over 2.3 coated with the #30 rod and PUR -- a serious black.   
> The
> #30 and PUR coating gives the LPM a very "air-dried-silver-print" look.
> (Too bad about all those optical brighteners in LPM.)
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] D-Max with Ultrachrome Inks - How good?

2002-11-27 by Robert

Paul:

I'm somewhat of a newbie with this.  Can you tell me a bit more about 
the coatings you mentioned?

Thanks,
Robert


> 
> However, I then coated the EAM with a #30 rod and polyurethane 
(acrylic
> would do the same I assume).  Then the DMax hit slightly over 2 -- 
higher
> than my silver prints.
> 
> With Legion Photo Matte, the Dmax with UC Mat-K was 1.61 uncoated 
and
> slightly over 2.3 coated with the #30 rod and PUR -- a serious 
black.  The
> #30 and PUR coating gives the LPM a very "air-dried-silver-print" 
look.
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> (Too bad about all those optical brighteners in LPM.)
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] D-Max with Ultrachrome Inks - How good?

2002-11-27 by Jerry Olson

I think you have to be using either glossy or lustre paper to get that black.

Jerry




Robert wrote:
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> 
> How rich is the D-Max on a photograph printed from the Epson 2200
> supposed to be compared to a true photographic print?
> 
> I have two identical prints - one made the traditional wet-process
> way, and the other on the Epson 2200 with Enhanced
> Matt paper (with the Matt Black cartridge).
> 
> The D-max on the wet-processed paper is noticably darker and richer
> than the image printed on the Epson. And I know it has nothing to do
> with my printer settings -- I've got the blackest blacks my equipment
> can produce. The blacks on the Epson print lack punch, and have a
> slightly soft charcoal look to them
> 
> Everything I've read says that the D-max on Epson 2200s is supposed
> to be about as good as from photographs made the old fashioned way,
> but in my experience this just isn't so. Am I missing something here?
> Isn't the 2200 supposed to be very close to true photographic quality
> with the right inks and papers?
> 
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