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2002-12-23 by hogarth
I tend toward papers like Photo Rag - smooth, matte, and very white. What is the whitest, smoothest matte paper available without optical brighteners? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2002-12-24 by Jerry Olson
Eclipse satine bright white is whiter than photorag, has a very smooth surface and a textured surface on back, both sides printable, great price, 100 percent rag, acid free, etc.. Jerry hogarth wrote:
> > I tend toward papers like Photo Rag - smooth, matte, and very white. > What is the whitest, smoothest matte paper available without optical > brighteners? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2002-12-25 by Richard Sintchak
Tuesday, December 24, 2002, 1:40:02 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: JO> Eclipse satine bright white is whiter than photorag, has a very smooth JO> surface and a textured surface on back, both sides printable, great JO> price, 100 percent rag, acid free, etc.. JO> Jerry Jerry, I am a big fan of Photo Rag even having only used it a short time. The blacks are much richer and darker for me printing with my 1160 and MIS FS-N inks than I get from printing on EAM or Eclipse Satin Bright White 190. Also the detail and sharpness is much finer when printing on the Photo Rag. I would love to use the Eclipse Satine bright white as I like it's texture, ability to choose either side to print on, and of course, price. My results, while good, still cannot rival the great results I see with Photo Rag. How are the results with the Eclipse Satine bright white compared to Photo Rag for you, and what printer and inks are you using? Did you do any curve or otherwise other adjustments to get better results with Eclipse Satine bright white? Thanks. If anyone else would like to chip in their comments/suggestions, please feel free.... Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@... L i n k s t o m y g a l l e r i e s: http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246
2002-12-25 by Tim Atherton
richard, what settings worksflows are you using for FS-N inks and Photorag on the 1160? thanks tim
> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 1:44 PM > To: Jerry Olson > Subject: Eclispe Satine vs. Photo Rag. Was: Re: [Digital BW] Digest > Number 1205 > > > Tuesday, December 24, 2002, 1:40:02 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: > > JO> Eclipse satine bright white is whiter than photorag, has a very smooth > JO> surface and a textured surface on back, both sides printable, great > JO> price, 100 percent rag, acid free, etc.. > > > JO> Jerry > > > Jerry, > > I am a big fan of Photo Rag even having only used it a short time. The > blacks are much richer and darker for me printing with my 1160 and MIS > FS-N inks than I get from printing on EAM or Eclipse Satin Bright > White 190. Also the detail and sharpness is much finer when printing > on the Photo Rag. I would love to use the Eclipse Satine bright white > as I like it's texture, ability to choose either side to print on, and > of course, price. My results, while good, still cannot rival the great > results I see with Photo Rag. How are the results with the Eclipse > Satine bright white compared to Photo Rag for you, and what printer > and inks are you using? Did you do any curve or otherwise other > adjustments to get better results with Eclipse Satine bright white? > Thanks. > > If anyone else would like to chip in their comments/suggestions, > please feel free.... > > Best regards, > Richard > > mailto:richard@... > > L i n k s t o m y g a l l e r i e s: > http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246 > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-12-25 by Richard Sintchak
Wednesday, December 25, 2002, 12:58:12 PM, Tim Atherton wrote: TA> richard, what settings worksflows are you using for FS-N inks and Photorag TA> on the 1160? TA> thanks TA> tim Sorry, I should have been more clear on that. I use the Randall curves with the Epson driver. I have the Cone driver but I'm getting awful banding in the midtones when I print with that on EAM or pretty much anything else. Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@... L i n k s t o m y g a l l e r i e s: http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246
2002-12-25 by Jerry Olson
Richard, My eclipse prints are about as good as the photo rag. But I use the enhanced black ink from media street instead of the MIS ink, which is a deeper black. I use Paul's curves. I like photo rag, but it has 2 problems I can't live with; its too warm for me, and its way too expensive. When identical inks are used, photo rag does have deeper blacks, as does Royal riviera (Torchon), and Well's River, which would be my favorite paper if it didn't flake so bad. Sure is funny hahnemuhle hasn't fixed this problem after all these years!!! Jerry The smooth side of eclipse is as smooth as the photo rag. I use Paul Roark's curves for all my black and white prints. > I am a big fan of Photo Rag even having only used it a short time. The > blacks are much richer and darker for me printing with my 1160 and MIS > FS-N inks than I get from printing on EAM or Eclipse Satin Bright > White 190. Also the detail and sharpness is much finer when printing > on the Photo Rag. I haven't noticed this. I would love to use the Eclipse Satine bright white
> as I like it's texture, ability to choose either side to print on, and > of course, price. My results, while good, still cannot rival the great > results I see with Photo Rag. How are the results with the Eclipse > Satine bright white compared to Photo Rag for you, and what printer > and inks are you using? Did you do any curve or otherwise other > adjustments to get better results with Eclipse Satine bright white? > Thanks. >
2002-12-25 by Tim Atherton
Richard, I'm just experimenting with th FS-N and PR Are you just using the straight randall workflow for EAM? or adjusting it? thanks
> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Sintchak [mailto:richard@...] > Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 2:09 PM > To: Tim Atherton > Subject: Re[2]: Eclispe Satine vs. Photo Rag. Was: Re: [Digital BW] > Digest Number 1205 > > > Wednesday, December 25, 2002, 12:58:12 PM, Tim Atherton wrote: > > TA> richard, what settings worksflows are you using for FS-N inks > and Photorag > TA> on the 1160? > > TA> thanks > > TA> tim > > > Sorry, I should have been more clear on that. I use the Randall > curves with the Epson driver. I have the Cone driver but I'm getting > awful banding in the midtones when I print with that on EAM or pretty > much anything else. > > Best regards, > Richard > > mailto:richard@... > > L i n k s t o m y g a l l e r i e s: > http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246 > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > "flames." > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the > various resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
2002-12-25 by Richard Sintchak
Wednesday, December 25, 2002, 2:05:18 PM, Tim Atherton wrote: TA> Richard, I'm just experimenting with th FS-N and PR TA> Are you just using the straight randall workflow for EAM? or adjusting it? TA> thanks Straight, so far. I've been doing this for only about 6 months. I've been chalking up results which were less than perfect to the image itself or my PS processing with levels, etc. But now I'm at the point of considering trying to experiment with the Randall curve a bit. My only limitation is time and paper. I have little of each right now. I'll be ordering some more paper soon. Just gotta work on that time factor. Any experiments that seem successful I'd love to hear about. In particular I want to see if I can get that same beauty I get from PR on ESBW. PR also seems to give me better graduated and detailed shadows too. Perhaps some curve adjustments with ESBW can yield me this.... Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@... L i n k s t o m y g a l l e r i e s: http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246