Digital BW, The Print

Hi guys -

I have a few album orders coming up and I've been thinking about
printing them into post-bound albums directly rather than doing the
standard inserts and mattes like I would for chemical prints. I've
found a few options on the album front, with the most promising being
a system that digitalartsupply.com offers, using museo pages. 

But before I dive in blindly, I'm wondering if any of you assemble
albums this way, and if so do you have any words of wisdom? (Like,
favorite suppliers perhaps?)

Hello Charles,

> But before I dive in blindly, I'm wondering if any of you assemble
> albums this way, and if so do you have any words of wisdom? (Like,
> favorite suppliers perhaps?)

I'm using some very nice post bound albums with clear pages and acid
free filler paper.  Very well priced, with fake leather, cloth, or
real leather covers.  Worth checking out.  The ones I like are called
"Memory Books"

   http://www.pfile.com/scrapbooking/index.html

They have lots of other good supplies as well.


Regards,
Clayton

Another system to consider is Stone Editions Stonehinge System

http://www.stoneeditions.com/site/products/stonehinge_system.html

I cut  and paste the following:

"The Stonehinge™ System

With the Stonehinge System™ and an Archival Inkjet Printer You
Can Print 
and Bind Elegant, Fine Art Photography Books that Will Last for
Centuries.

Cover Sets - Stonehinge Cover Sets Are Classic And Simple. 

The European book cloths used to cover Stonehinge Album Covers are 
beautiful and durable. They are pH neutral and free of any solvents.
Covers 
are lined with Adamant Paper. Binding hardware to bind a 50 page book
is 
included in each cover set.

Hinged Inkjet Pages (Digital Album Pages)

Stonehinge™ 100% cotton rag digital album pages feed through most 
popular inkjet printers creating ready-to-bind printed pages with
beautiful 
photographic images capable of lasting two hundred years or more. The 
complete Stonehinge System of digital album pages, cover sets,
translucent 
interleaves and preservation boxes makes world class portfolios,
wedding 
albums and creative photography books of unprecedented longevity and 
beauty.

When bound, pages turn smoothly and lie flat for excellent viewing.
Because 
the binding is clear, it virtually disappears ... offering no visual
clutter to 
distract from the photography. Pages are easily added, removed and 
rearranged, the only binding tool you need is a screwdriver. Since
the pages 
of Stonehinge digital albums are the images, no mounting adhesives or 
expensive, reflective and scratch prone plastic sleeves are
necessary. 
Expansion binding posts to bind a fifty page book are included in
each 
package of cover sets. Recommended capacity is approximately fifty
pages. 
You may also print on both sides of each page.

Hinged Inkjet Pages come in 2 different paper styles, Stone™
Photo Velvet 
Plus Paper and Adamant® Paper."

I saw these at my local shop - wasn't crazy about them. The Adamant
paper is uncoated, which makes the prints seem kinda anemic, and the
binding itself is, well, non-beautiful. If these were _way_ cheaper,
they would be great, but they seem to be the most expensive option for
this post-bound album concept, and I really don't think they are worth
the $$. 

Haven't seen the digitalartsupply albums yet, it's quite possible
they're just as bad (or worse) 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lawrencetrek
<ltitle@h...>" <ltitle@h...> wrote:
> Another system to consider is Stone Editions Stonehinge System
>

Sunday, December 29, 2002, 8:40:58 AM, Charles Bandes <byronbulb@...> wrote:

CBbyc> I saw these at my local shop - wasn't crazy about them. The Adamant
CBbyc> paper is uncoated, which makes the prints seem kinda anemic, and the
CBbyc> binding itself is, well, non-beautiful. If these were _way_ cheaper,
CBbyc> they would be great, but they seem to be the most expensive option for
CBbyc> this post-bound album concept, and I really don't think they are worth
CBbyc> the $$. 

CBbyc> Haven't seen the digitalartsupply albums yet, it's quite possible
CBbyc> they're just as bad (or worse) 

I saw these lately:

<http://www.kolo-usa.com/products/inkjet.html>

at The Art Store (http://www.artstore.com/)

The albums were pretty nice, sort of a canvas exterior in a variety of
colors (11x14 size about $40). Also available in leather for a bit
more. Sets of 10 ink jet refill pages go for about $14. I did not buy
the pages as the sample printed ones they had did not look too great.
Blacks were not very rich, nor was contrast or saturation. The
examples were done in color with an HP printer and the paper looks to
be a matte paper. Unfortunately the Kolo website is not very
forthcoming with details about the paper. I did buy a red album which
came with 10 black pages inside for mounting prints with photo corners
but since that does not look as good as I hoped I'm thinking of
gambling $14 and testing the ink jet pages with both my 870 for color
and my 1160 with MIS FS-N inks for B&W.

Anyone else out there happen to ever try these Kolo pages?

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

L i n k s  t o  m y  g a l l e r i e s:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

Cool! Those Kolo albums sound like they're worth a try, definitely.

Probably not quite in the "professional" realm for weddings and so
forth, but they sound like a really nice way to put a portfolio-book
together. 

I'm going to swing by our local "The Art Store" in a little bit and
see if they have these in stock. Thanks for the tip! :)

I have been very happy using Parker 20 ring binders.  Cut pages of 
paper of your choice to fit from 24" roll.  I then stamp holes with 
3 ring punch with punches placed 1/2" apart and stamp several times, 
moving paper per my scale marked on punch.  Pages are 13" x 10".  
Then print.  For large panoramic pictures, I fold much wider pages.

Binder shows prints well and pages turn very nicely.

Site is:  www.parkeralbumco.com

Dave

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles 
Bandes <byronbulb@y...>" <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> Cool! Those Kolo albums sound like they're worth a try, definitely.
> 
> Probably not quite in the "professional" realm for weddings and so
> forth, but they sound like a really nice way to put a portfolio-
book

> together. 
> 
> I'm going to swing by our local "The Art Store" in a little bit and
> see if they have these in stock. Thanks for the tip! :)

Sunday, December 29, 2002, 10:37:23 AM, Charles Bandes <byronbulb@...> wrote:

CBbyc> Cool! Those Kolo albums sound like they're worth a try, definitely.

CBbyc> Probably not quite in the "professional" realm for weddings and so
CBbyc> forth, but they sound like a really nice way to put a portfolio-book
CBbyc> together. 

CBbyc> I'm going to swing by our local "The Art Store" in a little bit and
CBbyc> see if they have these in stock. Thanks for the tip! :)


Excellent Charles.  If the rain holds off I may do the same today
too.  Which printer will you try it with?  B&W or color?  Please share
your results and I'll do the same.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

L i n k s  t o  m y  g a l l e r i e s:
http://fujirangefinder.com/document.php?id=246

I just got back with my Kolo album and pages. No prints yet.

I have a feeling that it would be trivially easy to retrofit just
about any type of paper into these albums - the pages themselves seem
very similar to EAM/Legion Matte in terms of weight and surface, for
what it's worth. I plan to run some prints on the Kolo-brand pages and
then see if I can use a paper punch and a bone-folder to make my own
pages on Eclipse fit. 

I should have initial results either tonight or tomorrow, depending on
how the BIG prints I'm running turn out.

I believe you are supposed to use your OWN paper!

Jerry



"Charles Bandes " wrote:

> 
> I saw these at my local shop - wasn't crazy about them. The Adamant
> paper is uncoated, which makes the prints seem kinda anemic, and the
> binding itself is, well, non-beautiful. If these were _way_ cheaper,
> they would be great, but they seem to be the most expensive option for
> this post-bound album concept, and I really don't think they are worth
> the $$.
> 
> Haven't seen the digitalartsupply albums yet, it's quite possible
> they're just as bad (or worse)
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lawrencetrek
> <ltitle@h...>" <ltitle@h...> wrote:
> > Another system to consider is Stone Editions Stonehinge System
> >
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Actually all of the systems we're discussing have proprietary 
pages that are inkjet-printable. I'm sure there would be ways to 
use your own papers with post-bound albums also, but it would 
be a little tricky to be sure that the hinges worked correctly. 

After I try the Kolo pages I'll see about using Eclipse and 
punching/scoring it myself. It's hard to know how it will work, but 
I'll give a full report in a few days :)

jerryolson@r...> wrote:

> I believe you are supposed to use your OWN paper!
> 
> Jerry
>

On the Kolo site they offer protector sheets for their post-bound 
books, so it would be feasible to print using your own paper (which I 
would prefer to do), then slip the prints into the protective sheets 
using their paper as a backdrop.

I've also seen a nice assortment of albums at: 
http://www.lumierephoto.com/alb.html


The Master Edition looks nice but it's VERY pricy!

Just my 2¢,

Diana

*******************

>
>Message: 19
>    Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:10:46 -0000
>    From: "Charles Bandes <byronbulb@yahoo.com>" <byronbulb@...>
>Subject: Re: Digital Albums
>
>Actually all of the systems we're discussing have proprietary
>pages that are inkjet-printable. I'm sure there would be ways to
>use your own papers with post-bound albums also, but it would
>be a little tricky to be sure that the hinges worked correctly.
>
>After I try the Kolo pages I'll see about using Eclipse and
>punching/scoring it myself. It's hard to know how it will work, but
>I'll give a full report in a few days :)
>
>jerryolson@r...> wrote:
>>  I believe you are supposed to use your OWN paper!
>>
>>  Jerry
>  >
>
>

On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 10:10  PM, Charles Bandes  
<byronbulb@...> wrote:

> Actually all of the systems we're discussing have proprietary
> pages that are inkjet-printable. I'm sure there would be ways to
> use your own papers with post-bound albums also, but it would
> be a little tricky to be sure that the hinges worked correctly.
>
> After I try the Kolo pages I'll see about using Eclipse and
> punching/scoring it myself. It's hard to know how it will work, but
> I'll give a full report in a few days :)
You could try making your own flexible hinges for the Eclipse paper by  
using a strip of folded linen tape at the edge.

Yet another option:   
http://www.spdonline.com/script/search.asp?SearchSiteURL=/articles/ 
2002/0802/spd_0802_06.htm
The Pictorico Dualside is an RC type paper, but it would hold up to  
handling better than the fine art papers.

In a message dated 12/30/2002 10:14:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, scho@... 
writes:

> Yet another option:   
> http://www.spdonline.com/script/search.asp?SearchSiteURL=/articles/ 
> 2002/0802/spd_0802_06.htm
> The Pictorico Dualside is an RC type paper, but it would hold up to  
> handling better than the fine art papers.
> 
Are you saying Black and white Pigments will stick to this paper without 
smuding?
Steve M.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Are you saying Black and white Pigments will stick to this paper 
> without
> smuding?
> Steve M.
>
Yes, at least it prints beautifully with the Ultrachromes in the Epson 
2200.  Don't know about the MIS or Piezo B&W inks.