Digital BW, The Print

Hello. 

 

I've been a long time reader of the group and this is my first time
posting.  I just ran out of my Piezo inks and I need to order
replacements.  I've read about Piezo tone inks and was wondering if
there is anything else available. When I was searching I came upon Lyson
SG inks and I'm wondering if anyone could recommend them.  I just looked
through lyson website and found profiles to use with their paper.  Are
there other profiles available to use with different papers?

 

 

 

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I am using now Lyson Small Gamut with Ilford Smooth Pearl Paper.
I really get great results if we do not take into account that this 
inks suffer from Metamerism. But Tonal transitions are amazing. You 
can give your prints every slight tone you want or leave them 
neutral.
I use their profiles for glossy paper and they work very well on 
ilford paper. I really think that without metamerism this inks would 
be a killer.

Hello

I'd happily recommend Lyson SG inks with their papers. I've had numerous
satisfied clients who really liked the the 'photo-satin' version for their
landscapes (typically ones like on the site below). Lyson papers are not
their own and available in other disguises (check the list resources for
more information) 

Not having a densitometer I can't comment on the actual blackness of their
SG blacks, but someone recently looked at a high contrast still life print
I'd produced on Lyson heavy 310gm fine art paper and said you could almost
push your fingers into the holes of blackness -- not very scientific, but it
gives the right idea :-))

The Lyson profiles for SG have been very good on the 1160 I use for B/W
printing. A while ago, I had a chat with someone from Lyson about
profiling. They said that a major difficulty with producing profiles was the
variation between individual printers of the same model. This was one of the
problems I had with quad blacks on my 1160 -- I've seen quad prints produced
on an 1160 which had a far smoother response than mine. For the SG inks I've
not noticed any problems that would induce me to pay for a custom profile
(well maybe when I've got far more spare cash)

I have at times wondered whether mentioning Lyson inks on the list was a
minor heresy, but I've since discovered that many people do use them and are
just plain happy with the results :-)) :-))

bye for now   

Keith Cooper

Northlight Images
http://northlight-images.co.uk
Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy

Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397

Hi Keith:

I am also using Small Gamut inks. Until now it is by far the best 
solution I have came across. I love the subtle tonalities you get 
with this inks. I also like very much the amout of control you get 
if you know how to tame the beast of photoshop.

But I also have a problem with metamerism. I can tell you that so 
far the best paper (on the gloss or pearl league) that is not so 
sensitive to this is the ILFORD SMOOTH PEARL. I like it even better 
than Lyson Proffesional Photo Satin. But still....when I get 
incredible pictures on halogen or tungsten light they turn green 
under daylight. Do you think that there is any paper that avoids 
this or do we have to wait that lyson comes out with a improved 
version of SG.

As I said I LOVE THIS INKS. I only trying to see if I get rid off 
metamerism. On all other aspects this inks really have exceeded my 
best expectations.

Regards

Hi,

It is my understanding that black&white inkjet prints made with color 
inks (dyes or pigs) will result in metamerism being present to any 
degree whatever the gamut of the inkset used.

It is also my understanding that b&w inkjet prints made with quad 
inkset such as those from MIS or Inkjetmall are relatively free of 
metamerism.

What are your views on this ?

Cheers,
Andre




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cristianbaitg 
<cristianbaitg@h...>" <cristianbaitg@h...> wrote:
> Hi Keith:
> 
> I am also using Small Gamut inks. 
> 
snip...

> 
> As I said I LOVE THIS INKS. I only trying to see if I get rid off 
> metamerism. On all other aspects this inks really have exceeded my 
> best expectations.
> 
> Regards

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cristianbaitg 
<cristianbaitg@h...>" <cristianbaitg@h...> wrote:
> Hi Keith:
> 
> I am also using Small Gamut inks... But I also have a problem with 
metamerism. I can tell you that so 
> far the best paper (on the gloss or pearl league) that is not so 
> sensitive to this is the ILFORD SMOOTH PEARL. 

The Lyson agent in the UK is at www.marrutt.co.uk where you will find 
a link to Udo Machiels who works on profiles with Lyson SG inks.  He 
uses Ilford papers and recently, Marrutt, started supplying these.  I 
understand, but do not know from personal experience, that Udo's 
custom profiles are effective in reduing metamerism in SG produced 
prints on Ilford papers.

I hope this helps.

I have no connections with Marrutt or Udo other than as a customer.

Colin

I just e-mailed Udo to see if he can create a profile for my Ilford 
Smooth Pearl that reduces metamerism. I am working also with this 
paper wich I think is superb. My only concer is metamerism (even if 
it the one that has this effect more reduced) it is still there.
On the other hand I really love this inks. It's amazing what images 
you can reproduce with SG. I am so impressed that I canot think of 
any other solution that comes close to this.

 I have not tried Piezography but after trying MIS VM I can tell you 
that SG is SO MUCH BETTER. Deep blacks, beatiful tonal transitions, 
gives you the exact tone you want. Never cloggs the printer. 
Reasonable prize. Great B&W solution but I hope that I will be able 
to reduce metamerism more.

Hasta la vista