Digital BW, The Print

Andre,

The new MIS GP Archival inkset is not a B&W inkset.  It's a color inkset
that takes the UltraChrome-equivalent "MIS 7600" inkset to a pigment load
that works better with the printers that were not designed for high-load
inks.

>I'm presently using MIS-FSN ink with an Epson 1160. I will have to re-
>order soon and I just come across these new inks from MIS.

I assume FS-N will be available for some time. I don't think a replacement
for this ink exists at the current time.

>1- What are the advantage of MIS GP Archival Inkset over the MIS-FSN
>as to dmax and lightfastness if any.

The new variable-tone/mix inkset that I've mixed is based on the MIS 7600
UC-clone inks.  The Photo and Light blacks are not only RC paper compatible,
but also significantly more lightfast than the base inks used in the FS
inkset.  This vm version -- my UC VM 4.3 -- has not been released by MIS
yet.

MIS has a new high-load matte black also, but it has not been released, as
far as I know.  It's just like PiezoTone Museum.  It's so good I wouldn't be
surprised if MIS uses it in all it's inksets for matte paper.  But, the FS
black is also quite good.  So, I would not hesitate to continue to use it.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, you wrote:

> The new MIS GP Archival inkset is not a B&W inkset.  It's a
color inkset
> that takes the UltraChrome-equivalent "MIS 7600" inkset to a
pigment load
> that works better with the printers that were not designed for
high-load
> inks.
>
> >I'm presently using MIS-FSN ink with an Epson 1160. I will
have to re-
> >order soon and I just come across these new inks from MIS.
>
> I assume FS-N will be available for some time. I don't think a
replacement
> for this ink exists at the current time.
>
> >1- What are the advantage of MIS GP Archival Inkset over the
MIS-FSN
> >as to dmax and lightfastness if any.
>
> The new variable-tone/mix inkset that I've mixed is based on
the MIS 7600
> UC-clone inks.  The Photo and Light blacks are not only RC
paper compatible,
> but also significantly more lightfast than the base inks used
in the FS
> inkset.  This vm version -- my UC VM 4.3 -- has not been
released by MIS
> yet.
>
> MIS has a new high-load matte black also, but it has not been
released, as
> far as I know.  It's just like PiezoTone Museum.  It's so good
I wouldn't be
> surprised if MIS uses it in all it's inksets for matte paper.
But, the FS
> black is also quite good.  So, I would not hesitate to continue
to use it.

It looks like the advantages of the high pigment loaded inks are
not there for 5000/7000/9000 printers either. At least MIS is
quite vague about the use of the GP Archival and MIS 7600 in
these printers. Sounds we have to upgrade the 9000 to 9500 status
after all. Is that correct ?


Ernst

Ernst,

What I heard from MIS is that some of the standard Epson desktop printers --
1280, for example -- pump out too much ink for the standard "high load" MIS
7600 Archival (UC clone) inks to absorb correctly on glossy paper.  The
pigments pile up and one gets different levels of gloss.  So, the GP inkset
has a slightly reduced level of pigment in it to avoid this problem.

Apparently the 7600 actually pumps you less ink than the 1280.  This avoids
the problem of too much pigmentation on the paper.

My experience seems to indicate that the 7000 puts out less ink than the
1280 and might be fine with the full load of the MIS 7600 UC clone inkset.

I am not a beta tester for MIS color inks, so I have no experience with this
problem.  The MIS 7600 inks that I've used in the 1160 and 7500 seem fine,
but those have not been the full color inks.  To me, lower load means lower
gamut and dmax.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ernst Dinkla [mailto:E.Dinkla@...]
  Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:49 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] MIS GP Archival Inkset


  Paul, you wrote:

  > The new MIS GP Archival inkset is not a B&W inkset.  It's a
  color inkset
  > that takes the UltraChrome-equivalent "MIS 7600" inkset to a
  pigment load
  > that works better with the printers that were not designed for
  high-load
  > inks.
  >
  > >I'm presently using MIS-FSN ink with an Epson 1160. I will
  have to re-
  > >order soon and I just come across these new inks from MIS.
  >
  > I assume FS-N will be available for some time. I don't think a
  replacement
  > for this ink exists at the current time.
  >
  > >1- What are the advantage of MIS GP Archival Inkset over the
  MIS-FSN
  > >as to dmax and lightfastness if any.
  >
  > The new variable-tone/mix inkset that I've mixed is based on
  the MIS 7600
  > UC-clone inks.  The Photo and Light blacks are not only RC
  paper compatible,
  > but also significantly more lightfast than the base inks used
  in the FS
  > inkset.  This vm version -- my UC VM 4.3 -- has not been
  released by MIS
  > yet.
  >
  > MIS has a new high-load matte black also, but it has not been
  released, as
  > far as I know.  It's just like PiezoTone Museum.  It's so good
  I wouldn't be
  > surprised if MIS uses it in all it's inksets for matte paper.
  But, the FS
  > black is also quite good.  So, I would not hesitate to continue
  to use it.

  It looks like the advantages of the high pigment loaded inks are
  not there for 5000/7000/9000 printers either. At least MIS is
  quite vague about the use of the GP Archival and MIS 7600 in
  these printers. Sounds we have to upgrade the 9000 to 9500 status
  after all. Is that correct ?


  Ernst





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I called MIS and told them I wanted the "new black that Paul Roark
raved about"  They said "probably available next week" and to thank
you for the plug.

Bob Michaels
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> MIS has a new high-load matte black also, but it has not been
released, as
> far as I know.  It's just like PiezoTone Museum.  It's so good I
wouldn't be
> surprised if MIS uses it in all it's inksets for matte paper.  But,
the FS
> black is also quite good.  So, I would not hesitate to continue to
use it.

> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com