Digital BW, The Print

Vinny,
 
Kami is a German company, and you can find all products on their website:
 
http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/ <http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/> 
 
SMF is not there, so I assume it's an acronym for Scanner Mounting Fluid,
and that it actually refers to the same SXL 2001 I've used. 
If you search for "Kami" on photo.net threads I seem to remember someone
posted the address of a couple USA resellers.
BTW, the only meaning I knew for SMF was something very different, from an
old Twisted Sisters song, which I won't spell here for fear of being banned
from the list ;-)
 
Alessandro

-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Orlando <orlandovl@...> [mailto:orlandovl@...]
Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 14:34
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson3200 - Test results/Kami



Alessandro, I am looking for the Kami fluid and have found a site 
selling SX 2001 which is a spray or SMF 2001 which is a fluid but 
cannot find SXL 2001 fluid. Is this SXL fluid only available in 
Europe?

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com <http://www.wulfsden.com> 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro Pardi 
<alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I thought some may be interested in 
the
> performance of this new scanner.
> Tests I made are not comparison with other scanners (you can find 
plenty of
> them on the web), but simply how to get the best out of it. As you 
can see
> in the following image:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299&size=lg> &size=lg
> 
> I found that the Kami fluid SXL 2001 is well worth the trouble of 
both
> finding it and using it (it's a bit messy, although less than I 
feared).
> Technical details in the photo.net page should fully explain the 
test, but
> feel free to ask for further information.
> 
> The following is the first "real" scan (not including tests, I 
mean) I made
> with the Epson:
> 
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
<http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580&size=lg> &size=lg
> 
> all other photographs in my photo.net folders are 35mm scanned with 
a Canon
> FS 4000.
> 
> Alessandro Pardi



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Alessandro, thank you for the speedy reply. Will check it out

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro Pardi 
<alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Vinny,
>  
> Kami is a German company, and you can find all products on their 
website:
>  
> http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/ <http://www.kami-
produkte.de/english/> 
>  
> SMF is not there, so I assume it's an acronym for Scanner Mounting 
Fluid,
> and that it actually refers to the same SXL 2001 I've used. 
> If you search for "Kami" on photo.net threads I seem to remember 
someone
> posted the address of a couple USA resellers.
> BTW, the only meaning I knew for SMF was something very different, 
from an
> old Twisted Sisters song, which I won't spell here for fear of 
being banned
> from the list ;-)
>  
> Alessandro
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Orlando <orlandovl@h...> [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
> Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 14:34
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson3200 - Test results/Kami
> 
> 
> 
> Alessandro, I am looking for the Kami fluid and have found a site 
> selling SX 2001 which is a spray or SMF 2001 which is a fluid but 
> cannot find SXL 2001 fluid. Is this SXL fluid only available in 
> Europe?
> 
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com <http://www.wulfsden.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro 
Pardi 
> <alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I thought some may be interested 
in 
> the
> > performance of this new scanner.
> > Tests I made are not comparison with other scanners (you can find 
> plenty of
> > them on the web), but simply how to get the best out of it. As 
you 
> can see
> > in the following image:
> > 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
> <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299&size=lg> 
&size=lg
> > 
> > I found that the Kami fluid SXL 2001 is well worth the trouble of 
> both
> > finding it and using it (it's a bit messy, although less than I 
> feared).
> > Technical details in the photo.net page should fully explain the 
> test, but
> > feel free to ask for further information.
> > 
> > The following is the first "real" scan (not including tests, I 
> mean) I made
> > with the Epson:
> > 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580
> <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1339580&size=lg> 
&size=lg
> > 
> > all other photographs in my photo.net folders are 35mm scanned 
with 
> a Canon
> > FS 4000.
> > 
> > Alessandro Pardi
> 
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Just found this Kami supplier surfing the net. As always caveat 
emptor.

http://www.baypressservices.com/html/kami.html

Cheers,
Andre

Well, the SMF is a different bottle from the SXL I used:
 
http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/sxl.html
<http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/sxl.html> 
 
You may ask directly Kami if it's the same product...
 
Alessandro

-----Original Message-----
From: sceptre12345 <am1000@...> [mailto:am1000@...]
Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 17:20
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson3200 - Test results/Kami


Just found this Kami supplier surfing the net. As always caveat 
emptor.

http://www.baypressservices.com/html/kami.html
<http://www.baypressservices.com/html/kami.html> 

Cheers,
Andre



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>
>
>SMF is not there, so I assume it's an acronym for Scanner Mounting Fluid,
>and that it actually refers to the same SXL 2001 I've used.
>If you search for "Kami" on photo.net threads I seem to remember someone
>posted the address of a couple USA resellers.
>BTW, the only meaning I knew for SMF was something very different, from an
>old Twisted Sisters song, which I won't spell here for fear of being banned
>from the list ;-)

OTOH, Decca SXL 2001 was the first classical stereo LP from that 
company, worth about $50 in mint condition, if there are any 
audiophile on the list:-)

Bruce


-- 
Bruce C. Kinch
Associate Professor of Photography
The Art Institute of Boston at Lesley University

> http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/sxl.html

In the USA the Kami distributor is Aztek:

http://www.aztek.com/Products/Aztek%20Supplies%20&%20Accessories.htm

If you are in the USA, I would get your Kami supplies from this 
company:

http://www.aztek.net/

otherwise you can order similar supplies from a company called Prazio:

http://www.prazio.com

-mh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro Pardi <
alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> Vinny,
>  
> Kami is a German company, and you can find all products on their website:=

>  
> http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/ <http://www.kami-produkte.de/english=
/> 
>  
> SMF is not there, so I assume it's an acronym for Scanner Mounting Fluid,=

> and that it actually refers to the same SXL 2001 I've used. 
> If you search for "Kami" on photo.net threads I seem to remember someone
> posted the address of a couple USA resellers.
> BTW, the only meaning I knew for SMF was something very different, from a=
n
> old Twisted Sisters song, which I won't spell here for fear of being bann=
ed
> from the list ;-)
>  
> Alessandro
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Orlando <orlandovl@h...> [mailto:orlandovl@h...]
> Sent: martedì 4 marzo 2003 14:34
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson3200 - Test results/Kami
> 
> 
> 
> Alessandro, I am looking for the Kami fluid and have found a site 
> selling SX 2001 which is a spray or SMF 2001 which is a fluid but 
> cannot find SXL 2001 fluid. Is this SXL fluid only available in 
> Europe?
> 
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com <http://www.wulfsden.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Alessandro Pardi 
> <alessandro.pardi@i...> wrote:
> > Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I thought some may be interested in 
> the
> > performance of this new scanner.
> > Tests I made are not comparison with other scanners (you can find 
> plenty of
> > them on the web), but simply how to get the best out of it. As you 
> can see
> > in the following image:
> > 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299
> <http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1341299&size=lg> &size=
lg

I thought I better mention one thing here:

If you use Kami mounting fluid, you have to use Kami tape, otherwise it 
majorly gums up and you will have a big mess. (That is one reason why 
Kami tape is so expensive)

For more info on mounting, you can check the archives at the ScanHi-End 
list on yahoo groups.

-mh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345 <
am1000@v...>" <am1000@v...> wrote:

> Just found this Kami supplier surfing the net. As always caveat 
> emptor.
> 
> http://www.baypressservices.com/html/kami.html
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre

mh

I thought I read on the Kami web site that the SXL 2001 doesn¹t gum up, it
evaporates and you can use a wipe to clear residue if there is any.  It
seemed to be the big selling point of this particular fluid.  Are you saying
that your experience with the Kami SXL 2001 is that it gums up and need
careful cleaning?

Simon

On 4/3/03 11:21 pm, "mh" <mh@...> wrote:

> I thought I better mention one thing here:
> 
> If you use Kami mounting fluid, you have to use Kami tape, otherwise it
> majorly gums up and you will have a big mess. (That is one reason why
> Kami tape is so expensive)
> 
> For more info on mounting, you can check the archives at the ScanHi-End
> list on yahoo groups.
> 
> -mh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345 <
> am1000@v...>" <am1000@v...> wrote:
>> > Just found this Kami supplier surfing the net. As always caveat
>> > emptor.
>> > 
>> > http://www.baypressservices.com/html/kami.html
>> > 
>> > Cheers,
>> > Andre
> 






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I probably should have been more clear. It gums up IF you use another 
brand of tape with it. It sounds like you guys were talking about using 
it without tape at all which i guess is a possibility since it won't be 
spinning around super fast like it does on a drum scanner.

BTW, if you still have some residue, you can get it off with PEC-12 on 
a PEC pad.  ((but only wipe in one direction and not for too long or it 
will degrade the emulsion))

-mh


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Simon Lamb <
simon@s...> wrote:

> mh
> 
> I thought I read on the Kami web site that the SXL 2001 doesn1t gum up, it
> evaporates and you can use a wipe to clear residue if there is any.  It
> seemed to be the big selling point of this particular fluid.  Are you saying
> that your experience with the Kami SXL 2001 is that it gums up and need
> careful cleaning?
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 4/3/03 11:21 pm, "mh" <mh@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I thought I better mention one thing here:
> > 
> > If you use Kami mounting fluid, you have to use Kami tape, otherwise it
> > majorly gums up and you will have a big mess. (That is one reason why
> > Kami tape is so expensive)
> > 
> > For more info on mounting, you can check the archives at the ScanHi-End
> > list on yahoo groups.
> > 
> > -mh
> >

Yes, I confirm that I do not tape 6x7 negs. Have no idea how drum scanners
work, but with flatbeds a few drops and careful placing of film on glass do
the trick.
 
Alessandro

-----Original Message-----
From: mh [mailto:mh@toomanyartists.com]
Sent: mercoledì 5 marzo 2003 1:32
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] KAMI mounting


I probably should have been more clear. It gums up IF you use another 
brand of tape with it. It sounds like you guys were talking about using 
it without tape at all which i guess is a possibility since it won't be 
spinning around super fast like it does on a drum scanner.

BTW, if you still have some residue, you can get it off with PEC-12 on 
a PEC pad.  ((but only wipe in one direction and not for too long or it 
will degrade the emulsion))

-mh


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Simon Lamb <
simon@s...> wrote:
> mh
> 
> I thought I read on the Kami web site that the SXL 2001 doesn1t gum up, it
> evaporates and you can use a wipe to clear residue if there is any.  It
> seemed to be the big selling point of this particular fluid.  Are you
saying
> that your experience with the Kami SXL 2001 is that it gums up and need
> careful cleaning?
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 4/3/03 11:21 pm, "mh" <mh@t...> wrote:
> 
> > I thought I better mention one thing here:
> > 
> > If you use Kami mounting fluid, you have to use Kami tape, otherwise it
> > majorly gums up and you will have a big mess. (That is one reason why
> > Kami tape is so expensive)
> > 
> > For more info on mounting, you can check the archives at the ScanHi-End
> > list on yahoo groups.
> > 
> > -mh
> > 




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