Digital BW, The Print

Ok - so starting with Roy's program was painful. I had a really hard time at first (though Roy was insanely wonderfully helpful and got me up to speed after a flurry of email :) ) but wow, I mean WOW - it is working now, really really well. And he has a system for making curves that actually sorta makes sense to me. The upshot of this is that I made curves for my printer this afternoon all by myself (well, um, with the help of some email and spreadsheets from Roy) which are WORKING! Still need a little tweaking, and my curves are not as good as, say, Tyler Boley's or Paul Roark's, but considering that just yesterday I was describing myself as an "end-user doofus" I am delighted with the results I am getting now.

In an email to Roy a few minutes ago I said "Ok so I am jumping around my studio feeling like a curve-development god rather than an end-user doofus. Thank you!"

Anyway - once I get my curves working a little better I'll be thrilled to share them with anyone else who wants them (MIS-VM inks on a 1280) - I'd encourage everyone to try this system, it works, and it's free!! :)

Congratulations Charles!  It must be very satisfying.  I'd be 
interested in attempting my own curves too.  Where would I find Roy's 
program?  I didn't see it in the files section.

Thanks,

Tom Husband

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
<byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> Ok - so starting with Roy's program was painful. I had a really 
hard time at first (though Roy was insanely wonderfully helpful and 
got me up to speed after a flurry of email :) ) but wow, I mean WOW - 
it is working now, really really well. And he has a system for making 
curves that actually sorta makes sense to me. The upshot of this is 
that I made curves for my printer this afternoon all by myself (well, 
um, with the help of some email and spreadsheets from Roy) which are 
WORKING! Still need a little tweaking, and my curves are not as good 
as, say, Tyler Boley's or Paul Roark's, but considering that just 
yesterday I was describing myself as an "end-user doofus" I am 
delighted with the results I am getting now.
> 
> In an email to Roy a few minutes ago I said "Ok so I am jumping 
around my studio feeling like a curve-development god rather than an 
end-user doofus. Thank you!"
> 
> Anyway - once I get my curves working a little better I'll be 
thrilled to share them with anyone else who wants them (MIS-VM inks 
on a 1280) - I'd encourage everyone to try this system, it works, and 
it's free!! :)

http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html

Also check the threads here from Roy from the last week or so, there was a sudo command that needed to be used to make it work as well as some other tweakage. 

You'll need Jaguar, Gimp-print 4.2.5 and Ghostscript to get started. Some people seem to have it running under Linux also for those unfortunate macless souls ;)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband" <thusband@s...> wrote:

> Congratulations Charles!  It must be very satisfying.  I'd be 
> interested in attempting my own curves too.  Where would I find Roy's 
> program?  I didn't see it in the files section.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom Husband
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
> <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> > Ok - so starting with Roy's program was painful. I had a really 
> hard time at first (though Roy was insanely wonderfully helpful and 
> got me up to speed after a flurry of email :) ) but wow, I mean WOW - 
> it is working now, really really well. And he has a system for making 
> curves that actually sorta makes sense to me. The upshot of this is 
> that I made curves for my printer this afternoon all by myself (well, 
> um, with the help of some email and spreadsheets from Roy) which are 
> WORKING! Still need a little tweaking, and my curves are not as good 
> as, say, Tyler Boley's or Paul Roark's, but considering that just 
> yesterday I was describing myself as an "end-user doofus" I am 
> delighted with the results I am getting now.
> > 
> > In an email to Roy a few minutes ago I said "Ok so I am jumping 
> around my studio feeling like a curve-development god rather than an 
> end-user doofus. Thank you!"
> > 
> > Anyway - once I get my curves working a little better I'll be 
> thrilled to share them with anyone else who wants them (MIS-VM inks 
> on a 1280) - I'd encourage everyone to try this system, it works, and 
> it's free!! :)

Thanks Charles but I guess I wasn't listening, this is Mac only.

Tom  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
<byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
> 
> Also check the threads here from Roy from the last week or so, 
there was a sudo command that needed to be used to make it work as 
well as some other tweakage. 
> 
> You'll need Jaguar, Gimp-print 4.2.5 and Ghostscript to get 
started. Some people seem to have it running under Linux also for 
those unfortunate macless souls ;)

Well, it's UNIX-only. It should work fine on Intel hardware running Linux or other UNIX systems. It's just that with Macs being the most common Unix systems out there right now that's probably what most people will be using for this.

I think for the moment at least Windows users are out of luck though.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband" <thusband@s...> wrote:

> Thanks Charles but I guess I wasn't listening, this is Mac only.
> 
> Tom  
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Bandes" 
> <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> > http://harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
> > 
> > Also check the threads here from Roy from the last week or so, 
> there was a sudo command that needed to be used to make it work as 
> well as some other tweakage. 
> > 
> > You'll need Jaguar, Gimp-print 4.2.5 and Ghostscript to get 
> started. Some people seem to have it running under Linux also for 
> those unfortunate macless souls ;)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"Charles Bandes" <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> Ok - so starting with Roy's program was painful. I had a really 
hard time at first (though Roy was insanely wonderfully helpful 
and got me up to speed after a flurry of email :) ) but wow, I mean 
WOW - it is working now, really really well. And he has a system 
for making curves that actually sorta makes sense to me. The 
upshot of this is that I made curves for my printer this afternoon 
all by myself (well, um, with the help of some email and 
spreadsheets from Roy) which are WORKING! Still need a little 
tweaking, and my curves are not as good as, say, Tyler Boley's or 
Paul Roark's, but considering that just yesterday I was 
describing myself as an "end-user doofus" I am delighted with 
the results I am getting now.
> 
> In an email to Roy a few minutes ago I said "Ok so I am 
jumping around my studio feeling like a curve-development god 
rather than an end-user doofus. Thank you!"
> 
> Anyway - once I get my curves working a little better I'll be 
thrilled to share them with anyone else who wants them (MIS-VM 
inks on a 1280) - I'd encourage everyone to try this system, it 
works, and it's free!! :)

Charles, you've certainly been a help getting the quirks of
the installation package worked out.  Thanks.

Just as soon as I can I'll get a new install package with all
these fixes and a couple of other conveniences.  I'm also
putting together a Linux set of files that should be easy to
install on various Linuxes.   

Roy

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Roy 
Harrington" <roy@h...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> "Charles Bandes" <byronbulb@y...> wrote:
> > Ok - so starting with Roy's program was painful. I had a really 
> hard time at first (though Roy was insanely wonderfully helpful 
> and got me up to speed after a flurry of email :) ) but wow, I 
mean 
> WOW - it is working now, really really well. And he has a system 
> for making curves that actually sorta makes sense to me. The 
> upshot of this is that I made curves for my printer this afternoon 
> all by myself (well, um, with the help of some email and 
> spreadsheets from Roy) which are WORKING! Still need a little 
> tweaking, and my curves are not as good as, say, Tyler Boley's or 
> Paul Roark's, but considering that just yesterday I was 
> describing myself as an "end-user doofus" I am delighted with 
> the results I am getting now.
> > 
> > In an email to Roy a few minutes ago I said "Ok so I am 
> jumping around my studio feeling like a curve-development god 
> rather than an end-user doofus. Thank you!"
> > 
> > Anyway - once I get my curves working a little better I'll be 
> thrilled to share them with anyone else who wants them (MIS-VM 
> inks on a 1280) - I'd encourage everyone to try this system, it 
> works, and it's free!! :)
> 
> Charles, you've certainly been a help getting the quirks of
> the installation package worked out.  Thanks.
> 
> Just as soon as I can I'll get a new install package with all
> these fixes and a couple of other conveniences.  I'm also
> putting together a Linux set of files that should be easy to
> install on various Linuxes.   
> 
> Roy

Well, in that case I won't flush SuSE just yet. I finaly got to try 
the 4.3.11 version of gimp-print; it's interesting in that it gives 
you lots of control over each color and black, you could conceivably 
come up with a set of curves that does exactly what we need for 
quads, but no hextone control. It does have one huge glaring fatal 
flaw-there's no way (that I could see anyway) to save your curve set 
and apply it to another image. Perhaps a couple versions down the 
road they'll take care of that. In the meantime, there's lots of new 
stuff to occupy us.

Steve