Digital BW, The Print

Sorry for asking a newbie question I'm sure has been asked many 
times, but.  I'm new to the B/W inksets, but have used Mediastreets 
Enhanced Generations Inks for quite some time.  I want to use a CFS 
for my B/W's also.  I use the Epson 1280 for color & I am buying 
another 1280 for my B/W's.   When I first started looking into the 
B/W inks I was aware of the Cone inks & system but not familiar with 
the MIS inks & the curves such as yours.  I was planning on buying 
into the Cone system, but have since been thinking the MIS ink route 
would be preferred.

The person that directed me to the MIS inks had previously used the 
Cone inks & has switched to the FS Neutral inks & prefers them.  My 
thoughts are the Ultra-Tone inks are the way to go, the fact of being 
able to print Matte (which I mainly use) or gloss, plus what seems 
like better longevity (than some of the other MIS inks) and to be 
able to print variable tones appeals to me.  A few people are telling 
me that I might be better off going with the Full Spectrum inks and 
using the Image Export Plug in.  They say that the Ultra-Tones & 
Variable Inks would be harder to get consistent prints.  My thoughts 
are the curves should be consistent from print to print.  I'm also 
trying to decide which of the blacks would best serve me.  Longevity 
& deep blacks are both important to me & I would like to find the 
best compromise between the two.   By judging from prints I see on 
the different websites I think I lean to a B/W print in the Neutral 
range.

I certainly would appreciate any insight you might be able to lend 
me.  I will be very grateful for any advice that might save me time & 
headaches

I am a complete newbie at B&W printing, so I apologize in advance if my 
questions appear stupid.

I am trying to find a cheap way to try B&W inkjet printing, and for 
what I managed to gather the combination C86 + MIS inks seems the 
easiest way to get into it; problem is: I can't source a C86 in the UK, 
its successor is the D88 which seems to have different part numbers for 
the catridges, does anyone know if MIS B&W inks for the C86 work with 
the D88?

Another option would be to get a R220 + MIS inks, the R220 is easily 
available, and if the results are as good (and it is as easy to use) as 
the C86 + MIS I may go down that route, has anyone tried this option?

Finally MIS inks seems to be available only direct from the 
manufacturer, I seem unable to source them in the UK, is anyone aware 
of an UK distributor or, failing that, is there a product, available in 
the UK, that can give similar results using reasonably cheap printers?

Thanks a lot

Igianni

I cannot comment on your printer choice question which I am sure will be
answered by the more knowledgeable members of this site, however I have had
experience purchasing inks from MIS and having them sent to the UK.  Both
times I have done it so far it has been a very easy process, the only
downside being the potential wait whilst the parcel passes through Customs,
although even that is becoming shorter.  I have also found MIS to be a
really helpful company to deal with both by e-mail and over the phone.
There are UK based alternatives such as Lyson and Permajet which might be
worth looking into, perhaps someone else can comment on their pro's and
cons, however I don't think you can go wrong with MIS.

Regards

David

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of igianni
  Sent: 27 July 2006 14:25
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Newbie questions


  I am a complete newbie at B&W printing, so I apologize in advance if my
  questions appear stupid.

  I am trying to find a cheap way to try B&W inkjet printing, and for
  what I managed to gather the combination C86 + MIS inks seems the
  easiest way to get into it; problem is: I can't source a C86 in the UK,
  its successor is the D88 which seems to have different part numbers for
  the catridges, does anyone know if MIS B&W inks for the C86 work with
  the D88?

  Another option would be to get a R220 + MIS inks, the R220 is easily
  available, and if the results are as good (and it is as easy to use) as
  the C86 + MIS I may go down that route, has anyone tried this option?

  Finally MIS inks seems to be available only direct from the
  manufacturer, I seem unable to source them in the UK, is anyone aware
  of an UK distributor or, failing that, is there a product, available in
  the UK, that can give similar results using reasonably cheap printers?

  Thanks a lot



  


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Hello Igianni,

>I am a complete newbie at B&W printing,

Welcome to the forum.


>I am trying to find a cheap way to try B&W inkjet printing, and for 
>what I managed to gather the combination C86 + MIS inks seems the 
>easiest way to get into it; problem is: I can't source a C86 in the 
>UK...
>Another option would be to get a R220 + MIS inks, the R220 is 
>easily available, and if the results are as good (and it is as 
>easy to use) as the C86 + MIS I may go down that route, has anyone 
>tried this option?

There seems to be general agreement that the 220 is better than the
C86, and is highly recommended, especially with the MIS R2 inks.

Article #10 at the link below describes how to make a variable tone
inkset for the 220 using MIS inks.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Thanks a lot guys for your input, yoo have been extremely helpful!

Cheers