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2003-05-23 by Alessandro Pardi
I have the feeling this has already been asked, but couldn't find related messages in the archives, so here's the question: anyone tried the Permajet papers MIS now sells? They say it's Hahnemule base with a different coating. thanks, Alessandro
2003-05-27 by Daniel Staver
> I have the feeling this has already been asked, but couldn't > find related messages in the archives, so here's the > question: anyone tried the Permajet papers MIS now sells? > They say it's Hahnemule base with a different coating. I recieved my sample pack from MIS today. I have only tested the Portrait Classic 300gsm so far, but it looks exactly like PhotoRag except for a slight difference in texture, so you're probably right that it's Hahnemüle base. I'll probably stick with 'real' Hahnemüle - my local art supplier orders them directly from Germany for a lower price than the Permajet papers are selling for. Since I'm in Norway that makes the shipping more convenient as well. -- Daniel Staver http://daniel.staver.no
2003-05-28 by Alessandro Pardi
Thanks Daniel. Being in Italy, the real thing may be cheaper for me, too. Given that the two papers seem to have the same base and (reportedly) a different coating, it may be interesting to compare them with respect to flaking, which I hear is a minor issue with PhotoRag. Alessandro
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Staver [mailto:daniel@...] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 16:59 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Permajet papers > I have the feeling this has already been asked, but couldn't > find related messages in the archives, so here's the > question: anyone tried the Permajet papers MIS now sells? > They say it's Hahnemule base with a different coating. I recieved my sample pack from MIS today. I have only tested the Portrait Classic 300gsm so far, but it looks exactly like PhotoRag except for a slight difference in texture, so you're probably right that it's Hahnemüle base. I'll probably stick with 'real' Hahnemüle - my local art supplier orders them directly from Germany for a lower price than the Permajet papers are selling for. Since I'm in Norway that makes the shipping more convenient as well. -- Daniel Staver http://daniel.staver.no <http://daniel.staver.no> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=247865.3355058.4641699.1512248/D=egroupmai l/S=:HM/A=1482387/rand=179497477> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-05-28 by Ernst Dinkla
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From: "Alessandro Pardi" <alessandro.pardi@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Permajet papers Thanks Daniel. Being in Italy, the real thing may be cheaper for me, too. Given that the two papers seem to have the same base and (reportedly) a different coating, it may be interesting to compare them with respect to flaking, which I hear is a minor issue with PhotoRag. Alessandro That different coating still has to be checked. I bet it is just the same. Hahnemuhle can't get the same margin on raw stock like they do on coated paper. There was a shortage in supply with Hahnemuhle not so long ago. Texture differences exist between batches and in the papermaking there is even a difference between the first part of the run and the end when the felt has gathered too much lint. Ernst
2004-01-11 by Richard Smallfield
Hi, I'm (in New Zealand) rather urgently searching around for a lightfast paper with a surface similar to Epson Heavyweight Matte and am having trouble finding suppliers in where I live. (No one I've found so far stocks Hahnemmuhle Photo Rag, although I've asked that they look into it). But ... one supplier does do Permajet papers. I wondered which Permajet paper would be closest to HWM/EEM and how people have found them. I did a search of the archives for Permajet Matt Plus and Permajet Portrait Classic, but nothing came up. thanks in advance, Richard -- http://smallfield.vze.com http://photos.smallfield.vze.com "Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old ones." --anon
2004-01-11 by Trish McAuslan
Hi Richard I am also in NZ and have had no joy getting Hannemuhle Papers here. I would be interested if you do find a supplier Trish On Jan 12, 2004, at 10:44 AM, Richard Smallfield wrote: > Hi, > I'm (in New Zealand) rather urgently searching around for a lightfast > paper with a surface similar to Epson Heavyweight Matte and am having > trouble finding suppliers in where I live. (No one I've found so far > stocks Hahnemmuhle Photo Rag, although I've asked that they look into > it). > > But ... one supplier does do Permajet papers. I wondered which > Permajet paper would be closest to HWM/EEM and how people have found > them. > > I did a search of the archives for Permajet Matt Plus and Permajet > Portrait Classic, but nothing came up. > > thanks in advance, > Richard > -- > http://smallfield.vze.com > http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > �� "Experience is what causes a person to make new > �� mistakes instead of old ones." > �� --anon > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� > AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE� �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > � To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > � > � To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > � > � Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to theYahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-01-11 by Ed Mathews
Hi Richard,
I've used Permajet Matt Plus and found it to be very similar to
Epson HWM, but maybe a little brighter and just a tad heavier. The
color balance seems to be just a tad warmer also. Overall, I liked it
better then HWM myself, and it is similar enough.
I also ordered a Permajet sampler from MIS a while back, and while
some of the papers are nice, I didn't find most of them smooth enough
for good detail in smooth tones of people pictures. The Matte Plus and
Portrait Classical are my favorites and the exceptions, having the
smoothest surfaces. The Portrait Classic is really very nice, very
expensive also.
Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Smallfield [mailto:r.smallfield@...] > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 4:45 PM > To: Digital BW Print > Subject: [Digital BW] Permajet papers > > > Hi, > I'm (in New Zealand) rather urgently searching around for a > lightfast paper with a surface similar to Epson Heavyweight > Matte and am having trouble finding suppliers in where I > live. (No one I've found so far stocks Hahnemmuhle Photo Rag, > although I've asked that they look into it). > > But ... one supplier does do Permajet papers. I wondered > which Permajet paper would be closest to HWM/EEM and how > people have found them. > > I did a search of the archives for Permajet Matt Plus and > Permajet Portrait Classic, but nothing came up. > > thanks in advance, > Richard > -- > http://smallfield.vze.com > http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > "Experience is what causes a person to make new > mistakes instead of old ones." > --anon > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or > you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership > preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier > messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks > or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be > removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of > digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic > posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group > rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and > decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group > Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE > THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, > INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED > ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
2004-01-12 by Richard Sintchak
Sunday, January 11, 2004, 3:18:28 PM, you wrote: EM> Hi Richard, EM> I've used Permajet Matt Plus and found it to be very similar to EM> Epson HWM, but maybe a little brighter and just a tad heavier. The EM> color balance seems to be just a tad warmer also. Overall, I liked it EM> better then HWM myself, and it is similar enough. EM> I also ordered a Permajet sampler from MIS a while back, and while EM> some of the papers are nice, I didn't find most of them smooth enough EM> for good detail in smooth tones of people pictures. The Matte Plus and EM> Portrait Classical are my favorites and the exceptions, having the EM> smoothest surfaces. The Portrait Classic is really very nice, very EM> expensive also. EM> Thanks, EM> Ed EM> http://lightandsilver.com It's my understanding that PermaJet Portrait Classic IS actually Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. So you actually DO have it. -- Best regards, Richard mailto:richard@...
2004-01-12 by Tim Atherton
Paul was also Beta testing a new permajet paper that he really seemed to like? Release around this month or so I think? tim
2004-01-12 by Paul Roark
>Paul was also Beta testing a new permajet paper that he really seemed to >like? Release around this month or so I think? Yes, it was the best. Permajet claims it is from an English mill. I haven't seen a final name or release date for it yet. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2004-01-13 by hahnemuehle_fineart
Hi all, if you are still looking for a retail-shop in NZ, please contact our local partner: Studio Art Supplies Parnell Ltd. Evan Woodruffe P.O. Box 37-494 Auckland Phone:0064-9-3770302 Best regards Hahnemühle Germany --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > Hi, > I'm (in New Zealand) rather urgently searching around for a lightfast paper with a surface similar to Epson Heavyweight Matte and am having trouble finding suppliers in where I live. (No one I've found so far stocks Hahnemmuhle Photo Rag, although I've asked that they look into it). > > But ... one supplier does do Permajet papers. I wondered which Permajet paper would be closest to HWM/EEM and how people have found them. > > I did a search of the archives for Permajet Matt Plus and Permajet Portrait Classic, but nothing came up.
> > thanks in advance, > Richard > -- > http://smallfield.vze.com > http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > "Experience is what causes a person to make new > mistakes instead of old ones." > --anon
2004-01-13 by Paul Roark
I'm just finishing writing curves for UT2 & Permajet Portrait Classic -- which is PhotoRag, as I understand it. Great paper, but it would be a lot better if it didn't flake. Hope you guys as Hahnemuehle get that aspect under control. Permajet has a new paper I've tested that looks just like PhotoRag but does not flake. When it comes out, it'll be the top of the matte paper heap as far as I can tell -- a non-flaking PhotoRag twin. Nice. Another request for the H. engineers -- an RC paper line with a buffered paper core to give Epson some competition for their Premium barrier/RC paper line. There is no reason these papers can't be archival. The Wilhelm ">200 year" dark storage rating or a similar "guarantee" of longevity is needed for too much of the market to ignore it. Calcium carbonate is cheap. Paul www.PaulRoark.com _____________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: hahnemuehle_fineart [mailto:dfa@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 6:45 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Permajet papers Hi all, if you are still looking for a retail-shop in NZ, please contact our local partner: Studio Art Supplies Parnell Ltd. Evan Woodruffe P.O. Box 37-494 Auckland Phone:0064-9-3770302 Best regards Hahnemühle Germany --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote: > Hi, > I'm (in New Zealand) rather urgently searching around for a lightfast paper with a surface similar to Epson Heavyweight Matte and am having trouble finding suppliers in where I live. (No one I've found so far stocks Hahnemmuhle Photo Rag, although I've asked that they look into it). > > But ... one supplier does do Permajet papers. I wondered which Permajet paper would be closest to HWM/EEM and how people have found them. > > I did a search of the archives for Permajet Matt Plus and Permajet Portrait Classic, but nothing came up. > > thanks in advance, > Richard > -- > http://smallfield.vze.com > http://photos.smallfield.vze.com > > "Experience is what causes a person to make new > mistakes instead of old ones." > --anon Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2004-02-06 by colingruk
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Permajet has a new paper I've tested that looks just like PhotoRag but does > not flake. When it comes out, it'll be the top of the matte paper heap as > far as I can tell -- a non-flaking PhotoRag twin. Nice. > Paul, It may be thjat the paper of which you speak is available at: http://www.fotospeed.com/files/EG%20Papers%20price%20list.pdf Colin
2004-02-06 by Paul Roark
Colin, I suspect Permajet is going to officially introduce its new paper line at the Las Vegas PMA show next weekend. I doubt the papers at Fotospeed are the same. Permajet seems to be working directly with a mill to get a unique coating. They will also announce an upgrade of VT Blax (to an UT-class inkset). I'll be over there with Permajet and Jobo helping them demo the goodies. Paul www.PaulRoark.com For UT2 information, curves, and settings see: http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/ _____________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: colingruk [mailto:colin.conway@...] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 4:40 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Permajet papers --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Permajet has a new paper I've tested that looks just like PhotoRag but does > not flake. When it comes out, it'll be the top of the matte paper heap as > far as I can tell -- a non-flaking PhotoRag twin. Nice. > Paul, It may be thjat the paper of which you speak is available at: http://www.fotospeed.com/files/EG%20Papers%20price%20list.pdf Colin Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links