Digital BW, The Print

I have been using MIS's original VM inks on a 1160 and 99% of the 
time I use the neutral curve.  The resulting prints are nice but 
seems to lack the drama that I was able to achieve in the wet 
darkroom.  I am wondering if another inkset would give the result 
that I am looking for, namely deep netural blacks and punch (what 
ever that means).  

I'm considering MIS's utra-tones, FS-N, or one of Cone's inksets.  I 
don't need the tone options of the utra-tones but am more intrested 
in a neutral to cool inkset.  Also, I don't want to go through the 
expense of purchasing special printer drives just to find out later 
that I don't like the result.  Lately, I have been using QuadTone 
Rip 2.0 with very good result.

Could I use QuadTone Rip with the Cone inks? 

I guess my basic question is:  

"Ignoring the issues of print drivers,long term print fading, or the 
need to vary tone, which inkset will produce deep neutral, or 
slighlty cool, blacks (on EAM)."

I know that a lot of you have already faced the inkset issue so I 
would like tap into your experiences and knowledge.  

Thanks, Brad

Well if Jerry Olson was still with us he would suggest switching to the  
Gen4 Black from media street.  It is a dye/pigment hybrid and jerry  
used it with the VM ink set in place of standard MIS black.   
Inkjetmall's Piezotone Black Black might also be worth considering.   
Both of these will give you better blacks at the expense of longevity  
(because of the dye).  Another option would be switching to the  
Ultratones with Photo black and printing on gloss or luster finish  
papers.  The blacks are much more intense using these options.

Robert

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 09:30 AM, baduerr wrote:

> I have been using MIS's original VM inks on a 1160 and 99% of the
> time I use the neutral curve.  The resulting prints are nice but
> seems to lack the drama that I was able to achieve in the wet
> darkroom.  I am wondering if another inkset would give the result
> that I am looking for, namely deep netural blacks and punch (what
> ever that means).
>
> I'm considering MIS's utra-tones, FS-N, or one of Cone's inksets.  I
> don't need the tone options of the utra-tones but am more intrested
> in a neutral to cool inkset.  Also, I don't want to go through the
> expense of purchasing special printer drives just to find out later
> that I don't like the result.  Lately, I have been using QuadTone
> Rip 2.0 with very good result.
>
> Could I use QuadTone Rip with the Cone inks?
>
> I guess my basic question is:
>
> "Ignoring the issues of print drivers,long term print fading, or the
> need to vary tone, which inkset will produce deep neutral, or
> slighlty cool, blacks (on EAM)."
>
> I know that a lot of you have already faced the inkset issue so I
> would like tap into your experiences and knowledge.
>
> Thanks, Brad
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison <
rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Well if Jerry Olson was still with us he would suggest switching to
the  
> Gen4 Black from media street.  It is a dye/pigment hybrid and jerry
 
> used it with the VM ink set in place of standard MIS black.   
> Inkjetmall's Piezotone Black Black might also be worth considering.
  
> Both of these will give you better blacks at the expense of
longevity  
> (because of the dye).  Another option would be switching to the  
> Ultratones with Photo black and printing on gloss or luster finish  
> papers.  The blacks are much more intense using these options.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 09:30 AM, baduerr wrote:
> 
> > I have been using MIS's original VM inks on a 1160 and 99% of the
> > time I use the neutral curve.  The resulting prints are nice but
> > seems to lack the drama that I was able to achieve in the wet
> > darkroom.  I am wondering if another inkset would give the result
> > that I am looking for, namely deep netural blacks and punch (what
> > ever that means).
> >
> > I'm considering MIS's utra-tones, FS-N, or one of Cone's inksets.
 I
> > don't need the tone options of the utra-tones but am more
intrested
> > in a neutral to cool inkset.  Also, I don't want to go through the
> > expense of purchasing special printer drives just to find out
later
> > that I don't like the result.  Lately, I have been using QuadTone
> > Rip 2.0 with very good result.
> >
> > Could I use QuadTone Rip with the Cone inks?
> >
> > I guess my basic question is:
> >
> > "Ignoring the issues of print drivers,long term print fading, or
the
> > need to vary tone, which inkset will produce deep neutral, or
> > slighlty cool, blacks (on EAM)."
> >
> > I know that a lot of you have already faced the inkset issue so I
> > would like tap into your experiences and knowledge.
> >
> > Thanks, Brad
> >

Robert,

The "standard" MIS black has recently been replaced by Eboni (for both 
FS and VM) which is claimed to be a deeper black.  Does your comment 
apply to the older MIS black or to Eboni?

Harry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"baduerr" <bradduerr@e...> wrote:
> I have been using MIS's original VM inks on a 1160 and 99% of 
the 
> time I use the neutral curve.  The resulting prints are nice but 
> seems to lack the drama that I was able to achieve in the wet 
> darkroom.  I am wondering if another inkset would give the 
result 
> that I am looking for, namely deep netural blacks and punch 
(what 
> ever that means).  
> 
> I'm considering MIS's utra-tones, FS-N, or one of Cone's 
inksets.  I 
> don't need the tone options of the utra-tones but am more 
intrested 
> in a neutral to cool inkset.  Also, I don't want to go through the 
> expense of purchasing special printer drives just to find out 
later 
> that I don't like the result.  Lately, I have been using QuadTone 
> Rip 2.0 with very good result.
> 
> Could I use QuadTone Rip with the Cone inks? 

What inks to use is certainly hard to decide without trying them. 
I can answer that QuadToneRIP will work with any inks
including Cone's but you will have to work on calibrating each
variation.

Roy
 
> 
> I guess my basic question is:  
> 
> "Ignoring the issues of print drivers,long term print fading, or 
the 

> need to vary tone, which inkset will produce deep neutral, or 
> slighlty cool, blacks (on EAM)."
> 
> I know that a lot of you have already faced the inkset issue so I 
> would like tap into your experiences and knowledge.  
> 
> Thanks, Brad

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"baduerr" <bradduerr@e...> wrote:
> I have been using MIS's original VM inks on a 1160 and 99% of 
the 
> time I use the neutral curve.  The resulting prints are nice but 
> seems to lack the drama that I was able to achieve in the wet 
> darkroom.  I am wondering if another inkset would give the 
result 
> that I am looking for, namely deep netural blacks and punch 
(what 
> ever that means).  
> 
> I'm considering MIS's utra-tones, FS-N, or one of Cone's 
inksets.  I 
> don't need the tone options of the utra-tones but am more 
intrested 
> in a neutral to cool inkset.  Also, I don't want to go through the 
> expense of purchasing special printer drives just to find out 
later 
> that I don't like the result.  Lately, I have been using QuadTone 
> Rip 2.0 with very good result.
> 
> Could I use QuadTone Rip with the Cone inks? 

What inks to use is certainly hard to decide without trying them. 
I can answer that QuadToneRIP will work with any inks
including Cone's but you will have to work on calibrating each
variation.

Roy
 
> 
> I guess my basic question is:  
> 
> "Ignoring the issues of print drivers,long term print fading, or 
the 

> need to vary tone, which inkset will produce deep neutral, or 
> slighlty cool, blacks (on EAM)."
> 
> I know that a lot of you have already faced the inkset issue so I 
> would like tap into your experiences and knowledge.  
> 
> Thanks, Brad