Digital BW, The Print

Has anyone used this paper before? I have trouble telling which side 
is the coated side that i'm supposed to print on. The instructions 
say the 'rougher' side but its still very difficult to tell. Anyone 
know if this is another Hahnemühle rebranded paper? Its 190gsm, 100% 
rag, offwhite looking, and textured. Thanx for the help.

Coated side usually curls upwards.

Capuozzo

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From: Derrick [mailto:chooyeon@...]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:57 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] PRINTASIA Fine Art Matt Paper by Ilford - Printing
Side?


Has anyone used this paper before? I have trouble telling which side
is the coated side that i'm supposed to print on. The instructions
say the 'rougher' side but its still very difficult to tell. Anyone
know if this is another Hahnem\ufffdhle rebranded paper? Its 190gsm, 100%
rag, offwhite looking, and textured. Thanx for the help.



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Sounds like Ilford Fineart paper.  I have seen that paper and yes the 
specs are identical to Hahenemuhle William Turner, which can be found 
much cheaper at inkjetgoodies.com or as Royal Jazz from 
mediaStreet.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Derrick" 
<chooyeon@s...> wrote:
> Has anyone used this paper before? I have trouble telling which 
side 
> is the coated side that i'm supposed to print on. The instructions 
> say the 'rougher' side but its still very difficult to tell. Anyone 
> know if this is another Hahnemühle rebranded paper? Its 190gsm, 
100% 
> rag, offwhite looking, and textured. Thanx for the help.

Thanks. I tried the "licking tip" and the "pencil tip" that others 
have posted previously too. Pencil one works well. Did not like the 
licking tip at all.... tasted quite weird. Anyway, seems that the 
coated side always faces the cardboard backing board that is included 
in the pack, so i'll just use that to figure out the coated side from 
now onwards.


Derrick

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "capuozzo" 
<gtmlabels@s...> wrote:

> Coated side usually curls upwards.
> 
> Capuozzo

I just happened to have some Ilford Inkjet Fine Art paper (190 gsm) 
and was less than satisfied. But of course, printed on the wrong 
side!!!

It's also the same paper as Wells Rivers of Piezo fame. Prints quite 
nicely with the Piezo plugin using that profile. It has a slightly 
lower Dmax than EEM and up close, 10 inches or less, look less sharp, 
probably because of the texture. Also has a creamier base than EEM. A 
fine paper worth considering.

Cheers,
Andre


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
<shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> Sounds like Ilford Fineart paper.  I have seen that paper and yes 
the 
> specs are identical to Hahenemuhle William Turner, which can be 
found 

> much cheaper at inkjetgoodies.com or as Royal Jazz from 
> mediaStreet.com
> 
>

Andre,

Actually, I remember seeing some densitometric data that William 
Turner had the highest black density of all matte fineart papers 
using pigment inks (MIS VM black I believe).  I wish I knew where the 
data was published.

Regards.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" 
<am1000@v...> wrote:
> I just happened to have some Ilford Inkjet Fine Art paper (190 gsm) 
> and was less than satisfied. But of course, printed on the wrong 
> side!!!
> 
> It's also the same paper as Wells Rivers of Piezo fame. Prints 
quite 
> nicely with the Piezo plugin using that profile. It has a slightly 
> lower Dmax than EEM and up close, 10 inches or less, look less 
sharp, 
> probably because of the texture. Also has a creamier base than EEM. 
A 

> fine paper worth considering.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
> <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > Sounds like Ilford Fineart paper.  I have seen that paper and yes 
> the 
> > specs are identical to Hahenemuhle William Turner, which can be 
> found 
> > much cheaper at inkjetgoodies.com or as Royal Jazz from 
> > mediaStreet.com
> > 
> >

Shilesh,
That could very well be, since I'm judging prints side by side. To my 
eyes EEM has the deeper blacks.

William Turner aka Wells Rivers and others brand names has been 
around quite some time and the W.R. profiles were included with the 
original Piezo software some three years ago. Could be that at the 
time of the densitometric test no other paper had deeper blacks.

But you mention (MIS VM black) which is more recent, so that kind of  
dismisses what I'm saying. Maybe Paul knows ?

Regards,
Andre

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh Jani" 
<shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> Andre,
> 
> Actually, I remember seeing some densitometric data that William 
> Turner had the highest black density of all matte fineart papers 
> using pigment inks (MIS VM black I believe).  I wish I knew where 
the 
> data was published.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Shilesh
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sceptre12345" 
> <am1000@v...> wrote:
> > I just happened to have some Ilford Inkjet Fine Art paper (190 
gsm) 
> > and was less than satisfied. But of course, printed on the wrong 
> > side!!!
> > 
> > It's also the same paper as Wells Rivers of Piezo fame. Prints 
> quite 
> > nicely with the Piezo plugin using that profile. It has a 
slightly 
> > lower Dmax than EEM and up close, 10 inches or less, look less 
> sharp, 
> > probably because of the texture. Also has a creamier base than 
EEM. 
> A 
> > fine paper worth considering.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Andre
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Shilesh 
Jani" 
> > <shilesh.jani@s...> wrote:
> > > Sounds like Ilford Fineart paper.  I have seen that paper and 
yes 

> > the 
> > > specs are identical to Hahenemuhle William Turner, which can be 
> > found 
> > > much cheaper at inkjetgoodies.com or as Royal Jazz from 
> > > mediaStreet.com
> > > 
> > >