Digital BW, The Print

Keith writes:

> My own quick favourite is converting to Lab and
> deleting the a&b channels.

In Photoshop, this is the same as converting to grayscale or desaturating.

My favourite way is to use the channel mixer. That way I can mix  
channels similar to using different filters if shooting BW.

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 07:30  AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:

> Keith writes:
>
>> My own quick favourite is converting to Lab and
>> deleting the a&b channels.
>
> In Photoshop, this is the same as converting to grayscale or  
> desaturating.
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> My favourite way is to use the channel mixer. That way I can mix
> channels similar to using different filters if shooting BW.
> 
> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 07:30  AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> 
>> Keith writes:
>> 
>>> My own quick favourite is converting to Lab and
>>> deleting the a&b channels.
>> 
>> In Photoshop, this is the same as converting to grayscale or
>> desaturating.

You may want to try "Hue and Saturation." After opening the dialogue, I
desaturate the image in the "master" setting, then chose one of the
individual colors (or what really makes this powerful is to select a
specific wavelength on the slider) to lighten or darken the response. I
prefer H&S because I can control the boundaries of the color response and
therefore get more control than with channel mix.

Wendel

I will check that out!

On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 08:48  AM, Wendel White wrote:
>>>
>
> You may want to try "Hue and Saturation." After opening the dialogue, I
> desaturate the image in the "master" setting, then chose one of the
> individual colors (or what really makes this powerful is to select a
> specific wavelength on the slider) to lighten or darken the response. I
> prefer H&S because I can control the boundaries of the color response 
> and
> therefore get more control than with channel mix.
>
> Wendel
>
>
Regards,

Loring Palleske
Creative Imaging
  905.441.2661

I find that using the channel mixer often exaggerates the grain since
you're basically deleting lots of information from other channels. I
prefer to create masks based on the various colors, do a normal convert
to grayscale and then using adjustment layers with the masks I created
previously.

This is mostly useful if you need to make more extreme adjustments to
your images.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loring Palleske [mailto:lorpal@...] 
> Sent: 8. juli 2003 13:54
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Converting Color to B & W in Photoshop
> 
> 
> My favourite way is to use the channel mixer. That way I can mix  
> channels similar to using different filters if shooting BW.
> 
> On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 07:30  AM, Anthony Atkielski wrote:
> 
> > Keith writes:
> >
> >> My own quick favourite is converting to Lab and
> >> deleting the a&b channels.
> >
> > In Photoshop, this is the same as converting to grayscale or
> > desaturating.
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In a message dated 7/8/2003 8:41:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
vanmeter@... writes:

> I will second the recommendation to try Photokit from Pixelgenius
> 
> http://www.pixelgenius.com/photokit/
> 
> an extremely good set of tools for Photoshop, not just B&W filters, 
> and for $50 - you really have very little to lose trying it out. 

how do these images look in a final print? is it a WYSIWYG type
program, or do you need to tweak the settings?

thank you!
k-a-y


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> how do these images look in a final print? is it a WYSIWYG type
> program, or do you need to tweak the settings?
> 
> thank you!
> k-a-y


I will qualify my answer by saying we are NOT professional 
photographers / photoprinters.....just engineers trying to make our 
designs look as good as possible.  That said - the match between the 
images in Photoshop (Windows version) and what is printed on an Epson 
2200 is extremely close....definately "close enough for government 
work ".  If nothing else, the Photokit plugins give you a great 
starting point for further tweaking.  As I mentioned, $50 and a quick 
download and you have a whole series of tools to play with - and in 
my totally unqualified opinion, the folks who came up with these 
filters ARE photographers - they know the results they want.

normal qualifers here - we are not associated in any way with 
Pixelgenius - just very satisfied customers !

In a message dated 7/8/2003 2:11:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
vanmeter@... writes:

> I will qualify my answer by saying we are NOT professional 
> photographers / photoprinters.....just engineers trying to make our 
> designs look as good as possible.  That said - the match between the 
> images in Photoshop (Windows version) and what is printed on an Epson 
> 2200 is extremely close....

have you used this program in conjunction with another printer, such as the 
1280?

thank you!
k-a-y


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Antonis Ricos wrote:

>Don,
>
>there is a nice "digest" of conversion techniques in Harald Johnson's  
>Mastering Digital Printing pp.317-321. 
>
>Antonis
>
>
>  
>
I still like "Convert to B&W Pro" best..

http://www.theimagingfactory.com/download/001CBWP/cbwp.htm
Keith

 

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Not the same as just converting to grayscale at all. 

After deleting the a&b channels in LAB, then convert to grayscale.
The result has a much better contrast to begin with. You can 
then bump it up a bit more without blowing the highlights.

Angus

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
"Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@a...> wrote:
> Keith writes:
> 
> > My own quick favourite is converting to Lab and
> > deleting the a&b channels.
> 
> In Photoshop, this is the same as converting to grayscale or 
desaturating.

OK, now I'm starting to get really mad.  I finally moved and
settled in my new house, and when I had used up most of my ink in my
1280 I decided it was time to get that replacement on it's way to me,
now that I have an address and stuff.  (I've owned it about 5 months and
from day one it would only print about 2 photos and then the black ink
would start to clog - repeated head cleanings always made it worse -
Windex did nothing - only cure was to sit overnight and then it would be
good for another two photos the next day).
     So I get the replacement today, unpack it, connect it, install the
ink, and the red light just stays on.  No power light.  I tried Epson
interactive support on-line and get to the point where they tell me I
have to call Epson.  So I called Epson, go through a couple things, and
the tech says it's DOA and there's nothing that can be done.  I asked
him if this was a new printer, and he confesses that all replacements
are refurbished printers.  He's sending a third printer.
     Didn't I read about the new Piezo using Canon printers now?  I'm
real close to bidding Epson a fond farewell here.

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com

I think your original problem was that the cart wasn't breathing 
correctly.  This is exactly what happens when my MIS black CFS tube 
clogs.  You build up a vacuum and the printer can't suck ink... a 
small problem easily fixed.

...hate to say it, but things get busted in a move...

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Mathews" 
<ed@l...> wrote:
>      OK, now I'm starting to get really mad.  I finally moved and
> settled in my new house, and when I had used up most of my ink in my
> 1280 I decided it was time to get that replacement on it's way to 
me,
> now that I have an address and stuff.  (I've owned it about 5 
months and
> from day one it would only print about 2 photos and then the black 
ink
> would start to clog - repeated head cleanings always made it worse -
> Windex did nothing - only cure was to sit overnight and then it 
would be
> good for another two photos the next day).
>      So I get the replacement today, unpack it, connect it, install 
the
> ink, and the red light just stays on.  No power light.  I tried 
Epson
> interactive support on-line and get to the point where they tell me 
I
> have to call Epson.  So I called Epson, go through a couple things, 
and
> the tech says it's DOA and there's nothing that can be done.  I 
asked
> him if this was a new printer, and he confesses that all 
replacements
> are refurbished printers.  He's sending a third printer.
>      Didn't I read about the new Piezo using Canon printers now?  
I'm

> real close to bidding Epson a fond farewell here.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed
> http://lightandsilver.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@...] 
> I think your original problem was that the cart wasn't breathing 
> correctly.  This is exactly what happens when my MIS black CFS tube 
> clogs.  You build up a vacuum and the printer can't suck ink... a 
> small problem easily fixed.

Well, I kept my original printer and returned the one that was DOA, so
how do I fix this problem?  I went through one MIS black cartridge, and
three Epson black cartridges - all with the same problem.  I'd love to
just get it working right, but months ago when I first got it and
reported the problem here - several people offered suggestions, but no
cleaning method helped.  And when I called Epson they offered me no
other suggestions either.  If what you state is the problem, how do I
correct it when I've never used anything but cartridges?

Thanks,
Ed
http://lightandsilver.com

Don't be offended if this is too simple, but are you sure you opened 
up the top cart seals properly?  Otherwise I can't think of anything, 
it is just weird that this is so similar to my tube clogging problem 
(which apparently only happens regulary in AZ and NM:(

mark (in AZ)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Mathews" 
<ed@l...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:markhahn2000@y...] 
> > I think your original problem was that the cart wasn't breathing 
> > correctly.  This is exactly what happens when my MIS black CFS 
tube 
> > clogs.  You build up a vacuum and the printer can't suck ink... a 
> > small problem easily fixed.
> 
> Well, I kept my original printer and returned the one that was DOA, 
so
> how do I fix this problem?  I went through one MIS black cartridge, 
and
> three Epson black cartridges - all with the same problem.  I'd love 
to
> just get it working right, but months ago when I first got it and
> reported the problem here - several people offered suggestions, but 
no
> cleaning method helped.  And when I called Epson they offered me no
> other suggestions either.  If what you state is the problem, how do 
I

> correct it when I've never used anything but cartridges?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ed
> http://lightandsilver.com